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> 2) simple feelings of being left out...that's what people don't like about Google shuttles. They're mysterious. Let people in them, see what they are, see how

by eshvk 13y ago

> 2) simple feelings of being left out...that's what people don't like about Google shuttles. They're mysterious. Let people in them, see what they are, see how they're really not that amazing or great: but then that would hurt recruiting. So your proposal is that people who don't work in tech, say someone who spend upwards of $100000 on an expensive liberal arts education and has a good sense for making good soundbites but not enough money should be allowed to enter the Google bus and drive down to the South Bay and back? It is a fucking bus that moves from point A to point B. There will be people who will hate you for anything you do. Always.

redwood 13y ago
I'm saying show people the interior on a "google bus open house day in the mission" so the google bus isn't like a red velvet rope and bouncer protected nightclub --- looks pretty fancy from the outside, but not much really going on inside. Disambiguify it and say "we're not trying to be a bunch of nightclub bouncers... we just have a large car pool"
- eshvk 13y ago
  Yes, but who are the "people" that you show things to? There is no clear split between "tech people" on one side and "locals" on the other side. Just like there are people who have been living in the Mission for 30+ years, there are people who moved in at the same time as I did (two years ago) but are getting priced out. Why am I less of a real "San Franciscan" than they are? This is as another commenter pointed, half parts bigotry too. This has always been happening too. Hell, the Mission was once occupied by poor German and Italian families. They fled with white flight when the Latinas moved here. Then, now the Mission is gentrifying. This is a process that will keep happening throughout the years in every neighborhood. A Google open house day will not help people who want to manufacture outrage for their pet causes.
  - redwood 13y ago
    Simply the people who aren't taking the shuttles. People like all my friends in SF who aren't in tech.
  - cremsh 13y ago
    This post is hilarious because it's earnest.
- klipt 13y ago
  > we just have a large car pool I think there are people who would complain about a car pool too. Really, they just want the tech people to stay out, and anything that enables them to move in (like carpools or buses) is going to get complaints. The buses are a visible symbol, but not the root cause.
- michaelochurch 13y ago
  You're speaking as if it were an ego issue alone, of not wanting to be "excluded" from the Google buses. No. These people have justifiable anger at what is happening to their neighborhood and rent levels. That is why they hate Google buses-- not because they want a ride in one. Don't make them out to be children just because they're not well-off. (I'm not saying you are, but that's a common sentiment these days.)
  - cremsh 13y ago
    On the contrary, children need their own buses so they can be shuttled to school despite an existing public transportation infrastructure. These children are paid above median income, espouse libertarian ideals, refuse to participate or share, and require their own shuttle service separate from 'the natives'. It says something that to draw 'talent', you have to implement a separate transportation system to appease their fragile sensibilities.
    - eshvk 13y ago
      Uhh...way to go on stereotyping people. Because everyone who is in tech does this. There are countless tech people who take the Muni and Caltrain to work in Mountain View. Also, the shuttles are an option, designed by companies to optimize the amount of time you work. Quite a lot of people get work done in shuttles. I am not sure how this makes it the fault of the employee because they are using a benefit which exists. What is next? Complain because someone is not refusing a higher pay package just because of your silly conceptions of equality.
      - holyfh 13y ago
        Nice hyperbolic and knee-jerk slippery slope response, but the complaint seems to be about the mentality of the people attracted to concept of having their employer enable them to quite literally be able to live in their own bubble, with minimal exposure to the outside and 'natives'.
    - sbw1 13y ago
      No, the strawman constructed to represent these people espouses libertarian ideals and refuses to participate or share. Actual shuttle riders require the shuttle (to the degree that they really "require" it) because it drives them to work. There isn't much more to it than that. If Caltrain or BART made the same trip and was even a tiny bit faster or more reliable most would switch in a heartbeat.

by eshvk 13y ago

redwood 13y ago

I'm saying show people the interior on a "google bus open house day in the mission" so the google bus isn't like a red velvet rope and bouncer protected nightclub --- looks pretty fancy from the outside, but not much really going on inside. Disambiguify it and say "we're not trying to be a bunch of nightclub bouncers... we just have a large car pool"

eshvk 13y ago
Yes, but who are the "people" that you show things to? There is no clear split between "tech people" on one side and "locals" on the other side. Just like there are people who have been living in the Mission for 30+ years, there are people who moved in at the same time as I did (two years ago) but are getting priced out. Why am I less of a real "San Franciscan" than they are? This is as another commenter pointed, half parts bigotry too. This has always been happening too. Hell, the Mission was once occupied by poor German and Italian families. They fled with white flight when the Latinas moved here. Then, now the Mission is gentrifying. This is a process that will keep happening throughout the years in every neighborhood. A Google open house day will not help people who want to manufacture outrage for their pet causes.
- redwood 13y ago
  Simply the people who aren't taking the shuttles. People like all my friends in SF who aren't in tech.
- cremsh 13y ago
  This post is hilarious because it's earnest.
klipt 13y ago
> we just have a large car pool I think there are people who would complain about a car pool too. Really, they just want the tech people to stay out, and anything that enables them to move in (like carpools or buses) is going to get complaints. The buses are a visible symbol, but not the root cause.
michaelochurch 13y ago
You're speaking as if it were an ego issue alone, of not wanting to be "excluded" from the Google buses. No. These people have justifiable anger at what is happening to their neighborhood and rent levels. That is why they hate Google buses-- not because they want a ride in one. Don't make them out to be children just because they're not well-off. (I'm not saying you are, but that's a common sentiment these days.)
- cremsh 13y ago
  On the contrary, children need their own buses so they can be shuttled to school despite an existing public transportation infrastructure. These children are paid above median income, espouse libertarian ideals, refuse to participate or share, and require their own shuttle service separate from 'the natives'. It says something that to draw 'talent', you have to implement a separate transportation system to appease their fragile sensibilities.
  - eshvk 13y ago
    Uhh...way to go on stereotyping people. Because everyone who is in tech does this. There are countless tech people who take the Muni and Caltrain to work in Mountain View. Also, the shuttles are an option, designed by companies to optimize the amount of time you work. Quite a lot of people get work done in shuttles. I am not sure how this makes it the fault of the employee because they are using a benefit which exists. What is next? Complain because someone is not refusing a higher pay package just because of your silly conceptions of equality.
    - holyfh 13y ago
      Nice hyperbolic and knee-jerk slippery slope response, but the complaint seems to be about the mentality of the people attracted to concept of having their employer enable them to quite literally be able to live in their own bubble, with minimal exposure to the outside and 'natives'.
  - sbw1 13y ago
    No, the strawman constructed to represent these people espouses libertarian ideals and refuses to participate or share. Actual shuttle riders require the shuttle (to the degree that they really "require" it) because it drives them to work. There isn't much more to it than that. If Caltrain or BART made the same trip and was even a tiny bit faster or more reliable most would switch in a heartbeat.