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> "Even if you are not a citizen of the Five Eyes, you shouldn't be worried about your data being viewed unless you're involved with a group of interest, such a
by md224 13y ago
> "Even if you are not a citizen of the Five Eyes, you shouldn't be worried about your data being viewed unless you're involved with a group of interest, such as a foreign government or violent organization."
This really is a key quote. Even if OP's assertions about the NSA are totally correct, even if all security protocols are followed to the letter, the problem still remains that they have a tremendous amount of power that can be used to target anyone deemed an enemy of the state.
I think a lot of contention on this issue revolves around how much you trust the government to appropriately designate enemies of the state. Many people believe the government is responsible about this, and that it will only go after people who a reasonable person would consider "dangerous." The problem, of course, is that the United States doesn't exactly have the cleanest track record of appropriately focusing its wrath:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
(And yes, I know COINTELPRO was FBI, not NSA... I believe it's still an instructive example of government overreach.)
Anyone who defends the NSA on the grounds that it only targets those who are worthy of targeting needs to convince me that another COINTELPRO will never happen. I would actually welcome such an argument, since it would make me feel a whole lot better about this.
- jrochkind1 13y agoSo, an interesting question is, how many people do you think believe that all COINTELPRO targest in fact were 'worthy of targetting'? For some targets, the number of people who today think they were 'worth of targetting' may be way different than the number who may have thought so at the time. (If MLK was held in as high regard 40 years ago as he is now, he would have had a lot less work to to do).
- tjaerv 13y agoIt doesn't even have to be on the level of COINTELPRO. See here: > The history of the FBI Lab hasn't been without controversy. Dr. Frederic Whitehurst, who joined the FBI in 1982 and served as a Supervisory Special Agent at the Lab from 1986 to 1998, blew the whistle on scientific misconduct at the Lab. In a subsequent investigation, it was found that evidence had been falsified, altered, or suppressed, or that FBI agents had testified falsely, in as many as 10,000 cases, resulting in many false convictions. More than a decade later, cases were still being overturned because of this massive fraud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Laboratory#Controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Laboratory#Controversy