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I think you are missing a point: US (cloud) companies do business with for example European companies/customers. The leaks suggest that all data a non-US custom
by jkrems 13y ago
I think you are missing a point: US (cloud) companies do business with for example European companies/customers. The leaks suggest that all data a non-US customer stores with them is fair game for being snooped by NSA etc. without any judge or due process. This turns "complain about your own country spying on you!" into "Don't do business with an American company if you care for legal protection/are not stupid". But please continue to pretend that economy is confined by national borders.
- javert 13y ago> The leaks suggest that all data a non-US customer stores with them is fair game for being snooped by NSA etc. without any judge or due process. I agree. > turns "complain about your own country spying on you!" into "Don't do business with an American company if you care for legal protection/are not stupid". I agree. As a US citizen, I was quite upset when my employer started mandating Gmail use, and this was before the Snowden leaks. Foreign companies are obliged not to use US cloud services, just as US companies are obliged not to use Chinese ones. That is all water under the bridge now. There is no going back. So you are not actually rebutting anything I said.
- mpyne 13y agoU.S. law has never been compatible with E.U. data protection law as I understand it though, even before Snowden. The Europeans can't seriously have thought the U.S. wasn't engaging in surveillance (and indeed, they did know otherwise, with ECHELON), so what can be said for that other than "caveat emptor"? Until multilateral treaties are passed dictating how one national jurisdiction will handle the data of another then every EU business using a US cloud service has just been using wishful thinking. And again, this was true even before Snowden.