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Agreed. I also fund it hard to sympathize with these startups having ambitions to scale to Google-like sizes, yet are unwilling to pony up cash for a proper dat

by trezor 17y ago

Agreed. I also fund it hard to sympathize with these startups having ambitions to scale to Google-like sizes, yet are unwilling to pony up cash for a proper database system like Oracle or SQL Server. Seeing the amount of ugly hacks people are willing to come up with and employ and features they are willing to cut, just to handle trivial loads, kinda makes me think that MySQL can only be considered free if your time is worthless.

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gaius 17y ago
It's amusing that he thinks master-slave replication is MySQL's killer feature. Didn't IBM have it, umm, 30 years ago? Also that he says SQL database and not relational database. The whole article reeks of inexperience.
jacquesm 17y ago
yes, because we all know google runs on a 'proper' database system like Oracle or SQL server. Google is one of those excellent examples of a non-sql datastore that works just fine and seems to blow the socks of anything the competition has come up with to date.
rythie 17y ago
It seems odd that startups should "pony up" for Oracle or SQL Server when the very company you mention - Google - does not use them to a significant degree. Nor do Yahoo, AOL, Facebook, Digg etc. AFAIK.
timwiseman 17y ago
I agree with you with a caveat. Everything you say is absolutely true, but remember that many startups are highly focused on conserving cash, and moreso than hacker time. The retail price (I know discounts can be negotiated, but for a point of reference...) for MS SQL Server Standard edition is $5000, enterprise edition is $25000. I have never had to research Oracle prices but I understand they run even higher. I worked as an MS SQL Server DBA for a while for a mid-sized company, and I wrote and employed some "ugly hacks" to emulate some of the Enterprise features because management at the time was unwilling/unable to pay for Enterprise Edition.
- gaius 17y ago
  SQL Server and the rest of the Windows stack are effectively free under the BizSpark programme.

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gaius 17y ago

It's amusing that he thinks master-slave replication is MySQL's killer feature. Didn't IBM have it, umm, 30 years ago? Also that he says SQL database and not relational database. The whole article reeks of inexperience.

jacquesm 17y ago

yes, because we all know google runs on a 'proper' database system like Oracle or SQL server. Google is one of those excellent examples of a non-sql datastore that works just fine and seems to blow the socks of anything the competition has come up with to date.

rythie 17y ago

It seems odd that startups should "pony up" for Oracle or SQL Server when the very company you mention - Google - does not use them to a significant degree. Nor do Yahoo, AOL, Facebook, Digg etc. AFAIK.

timwiseman 17y ago

I agree with you with a caveat. Everything you say is absolutely true, but remember that many startups are highly focused on conserving cash, and moreso than hacker time. The retail price (I know discounts can be negotiated, but for a point of reference...) for MS SQL Server Standard edition is $5000, enterprise edition is $25000. I have never had to research Oracle prices but I understand they run even higher. I worked as an MS SQL Server DBA for a while for a mid-sized company, and I wrote and employed some "ugly hacks" to emulate some of the Enterprise features because management at the time was unwilling/unable to pay for Enterprise Edition.

gaius 17y ago
SQL Server and the rest of the Windows stack are effectively free under the BizSpark programme.