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In python you don't even have abstract classes, and instead you have to use horrible hacks.

by jafaku 13y ago

RodericDay 13y ago
http://docs.python.org/2/library/abc.html http://docs.python.org/2/library/abc.html ? Even if that had flaws, PyQt carries over all the Qt abstract classes just fine.
- jafaku 13y ago
  I'm aware of that but that's what people call a hack, don't act like it's not. Python doesn't support abstract classes, period.
  - likeclockwork 13y ago
    Um.. that's in the standard library. What definitions are you using for "support" and "period"?
possibilistic 13y ago
If you're tying to develop interfaces in Python, I would argue you're using the language from the wrong standpoint. Every language has a design goal. Python doesn't care about interface contracts. The "one correct way" is the contract.
- jafaku 13y ago
  With these languages it always seems like first came the language, and then its users tried really hard to make sense of it. So now apparently enforcing contracts is not important anymore. "Let's just code!" - sigh
  - possibilistic 13y ago
    If you want to enforce contracts, pick a language that encourages it. There are many to choose from. Plenty of people are doing just fine in Python without this. It's almost an entirely distinct problem domain. Besides, what would a contract be in a dynamically typed language? I don't think these features are bad, but they're not appropriate everywhere.
    - jafaku 13y ago
      > If you want to enforce contracts, pick a language that encourages it. Yeah don't worry, I'm not gonna use Python. > Besides, what would a contract be in a dynamically typed language? Being dynamic has nothing to do with this. See: Clojure, PHP, etc. They have contracts. Of course things might not be appropriate everywhere. But with Python/Ruby you don't have a choice, they just lack these features.
raverbashing 13y ago
Maybe because you don't need abstract classes I'd say even that Abstract Classes are a horrible hack to the braindead inflexibility of languages like Java And 99% of the time you're doing them in Python, you're doing it wrong
- jafaku 13y ago
  Yeah I guess you don't need OOP either then. Let's just program in Assembly.

In python you don't even have abstract classes, and instead you have to use horrible hacks.

by jafaku 13y ago

In python you don't even have abstract classes, and instead you have to use horrible hacks.

http://docs.python.org/2/library/abc.html http://docs.python.org/2/library/abc.html ? Even if that had flaws, PyQt carries over all the Qt abstract classes just fine.

jafaku 13y ago
I'm aware of that but that's what people call a hack, don't act like it's not. Python doesn't support abstract classes, period.
- likeclockwork 13y ago
  Um.. that's in the standard library. What definitions are you using for "support" and "period"?

possibilistic 13y ago

If you're tying to develop interfaces in Python, I would argue you're using the language from the wrong standpoint. Every language has a design goal. Python doesn't care about interface contracts. The "one correct way" is the contract.

jafaku 13y ago
With these languages it always seems like first came the language, and then its users tried really hard to make sense of it. So now apparently enforcing contracts is not important anymore. "Let's just code!" - sigh
- possibilistic 13y ago
  If you want to enforce contracts, pick a language that encourages it. There are many to choose from. Plenty of people are doing just fine in Python without this. It's almost an entirely distinct problem domain. Besides, what would a contract be in a dynamically typed language? I don't think these features are bad, but they're not appropriate everywhere.
  - jafaku 13y ago
    > If you want to enforce contracts, pick a language that encourages it. Yeah don't worry, I'm not gonna use Python. > Besides, what would a contract be in a dynamically typed language? Being dynamic has nothing to do with this. See: Clojure, PHP, etc. They have contracts. Of course things might not be appropriate everywhere. But with Python/Ruby you don't have a choice, they just lack these features.

raverbashing 13y ago

Maybe because you don't need abstract classes I'd say even that Abstract Classes are a horrible hack to the braindead inflexibility of languages like Java And 99% of the time you're doing them in Python, you're doing it wrong

jafaku 13y ago
Yeah I guess you don't need OOP either then. Let's just program in Assembly.