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I think this study misses a lot of the point. Sure, schooling is about grades, but it's also a huge part of childhood and teenagerhood, bonding and interacting

I think this study misses a lot of the point. Sure, schooling is about grades, but it's also a huge part of childhood and teenagerhood, bonding and interacting and meeting people and having experiences. So whilst the grades went up, how well socially adapted were people and how good were they at bonding with the other sex? Of course this also misses the colossal point of enforcing the gender binary, which is terrible and leads to a broken, sexist society. Single sex schools are, quite frankly, unethical.

sillysaurus2 13y ago
Single sex schools are, quite frankly, unethical. Teens will find ways to socialize with each other whether or not they're in a single-sex environment. It's not unethical to split based on "this group responds better to these methods of teaching." School isn't the epicenter of all social interaction during a person's youth, nor should it be. Taking this view leads to teen suicide, because if teens are convinced that all of life is just like cruel highschool then they'd rather not live at all. (If your highschool years weren't cruel, then I'd imagine it's hard to understand why this is true. Take it from someone who was hunted.)
- stdbrouw 13y ago
  > School is not, and should not be, the epicenter of all social interaction during a person's youth. How can it not be the epicenter of social interaction for young people when it's where they spend the majority of their waking hours? How many people did you meet in high school vs. how many in extracurricular activities?
  - sillysaurus2 13y ago
    EDIT: The lack of compassion for outliers is an alarming indication of the general attitude toward education at large. Outliers are who advance the world.[1] If you don't help them, then you'll live in a poorer country. If splitting by gender is the most basic thing we can do toward that end with proven results, and "... But socialization! (except for those I don't care about)" is standing in the way, then the situation is pretty grim. I'm going to bow out of this conversation now. [1] http://paulgraham.com/wisdom.html http://paulgraham.com/wisdom.html
    - TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
      I realise there are some nerdy types around here who socialized entirely through IRC, but I don't think that'll apply to the vast majority of students.
    - girvo 13y ago
      I had an experience that was sometimes similar to yours. Come on though, we are the outliers... In my opinion anyway.
    - stdbrouw 13y ago
      > Outliers are who advance the world. But everyone has to live in it. You're not asking for compassion, you're asking schools to do something that might be advantageous for a minority at the expense of everyone else. How does that make the world a better or more advanced place? I sympathize with what you're saying, but surely there's better solutions here than single-sex schools.
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y ago
  > Teens will find ways to socialize with each other whether or not they're in a single-sex environment. Based on experience, I would say that for teens (especially earlier teens) in single-sex schools have far fewer ways to socialise with their peers of the opposite sex. This should be obvious. > School isn't the epicenter of all social interaction during a person's youth, nor should it be. Based on experience, I would say that teens (especially earlier teens) the place where they spend 8 hours or more per day is in fact crucial to their social interactions. This should be obvious.

sillysaurus2 13y ago

Single sex schools are, quite frankly, unethical. Teens will find ways to socialize with each other whether or not they're in a single-sex environment. It's not unethical to split based on "this group responds better to these methods of teaching." School isn't the epicenter of all social interaction during a person's youth, nor should it be. Taking this view leads to teen suicide, because if teens are convinced that all of life is just like cruel highschool then they'd rather not live at all. (If your highschool years weren't cruel, then I'd imagine it's hard to understand why this is true. Take it from someone who was hunted.)

stdbrouw 13y ago
> School is not, and should not be, the epicenter of all social interaction during a person's youth. How can it not be the epicenter of social interaction for young people when it's where they spend the majority of their waking hours? How many people did you meet in high school vs. how many in extracurricular activities?
- sillysaurus2 13y ago
  EDIT: The lack of compassion for outliers is an alarming indication of the general attitude toward education at large. Outliers are who advance the world.[1] If you don't help them, then you'll live in a poorer country. If splitting by gender is the most basic thing we can do toward that end with proven results, and "... But socialization! (except for those I don't care about)" is standing in the way, then the situation is pretty grim. I'm going to bow out of this conversation now. [1] http://paulgraham.com/wisdom.html http://paulgraham.com/wisdom.html
  - TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
    I realise there are some nerdy types around here who socialized entirely through IRC, but I don't think that'll apply to the vast majority of students.
  - girvo 13y ago
    I had an experience that was sometimes similar to yours. Come on though, we are the outliers... In my opinion anyway.
  - stdbrouw 13y ago
    > Outliers are who advance the world. But everyone has to live in it. You're not asking for compassion, you're asking schools to do something that might be advantageous for a minority at the expense of everyone else. How does that make the world a better or more advanced place? I sympathize with what you're saying, but surely there's better solutions here than single-sex schools.
SideburnsOfDoom 13y ago
> Teens will find ways to socialize with each other whether or not they're in a single-sex environment. Based on experience, I would say that for teens (especially earlier teens) in single-sex schools have far fewer ways to socialise with their peers of the opposite sex. This should be obvious. > School isn't the epicenter of all social interaction during a person's youth, nor should it be. Based on experience, I would say that teens (especially earlier teens) the place where they spend 8 hours or more per day is in fact crucial to their social interactions. This should be obvious.