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>So this might be consistent with the information that the captain was transitioning from the Airbus to the Boeing. >It's a big mystery to me how three pilots

>So this might be consistent with the information that the captain was transitioning from the Airbus to the Boeing. >It's a big mystery to me how three pilots could overlook this condition for four minutes. Three pilots didn't overlook it. One did. Ironically, it was a different Boeing/Airbus distinction that prevented the guy in the left seat of Air France 447 from realizing the mistake the guy in the right seat was making. Airbus has separate (unlinked) controls for both pilots, so the guy in the left seat didn't realize the guy in the right seat was commanding the aircraft to pitch up. In a Boeing, the controls are linked, so it would have been immediately obvious what was happening. The other pilots were confused because it never occurred to them that someone would try to pitch a staling aircraft 'up'.

raverbashing 13y ago
They are linked in the Airbus (IIRC it gets the average of the controls if there are two inputs), but the sidestick doesn't provide feedback
- JshWright 13y ago
  Yeah, by 'linked' I meant 'connected by some sort of linkage (ideally physical) that reflects the movements of one controller to the other'
- riobard 13y ago
  I'm wondering why Airbus adopts this design? Seems very stupid from a cognition point of view. IIRC Air France Flight 447 stalled due to the same issue.
  - raverbashing 13y ago
    There's a comment down below that explains the reasoning But the Asiana crash is a Boeing 777
  - sneak 13y ago
    Force feedback joysticks are so 2008
tankenmate 13y ago
Back in the old days of flying (multi engine, no hydraulics) it was typically the right seat that controlled the throttle and hence would have primary responsibility for monitoring the airspeed. So I would say that at least two of the three pilots in the cockpit should have had an eye on the IAS. Also, four red on short always means instant throttle up and evaluate the need for a go around.

raverbashing 13y ago

They are linked in the Airbus (IIRC it gets the average of the controls if there are two inputs), but the sidestick doesn't provide feedback

JshWright 13y ago
Yeah, by 'linked' I meant 'connected by some sort of linkage (ideally physical) that reflects the movements of one controller to the other'
riobard 13y ago
I'm wondering why Airbus adopts this design? Seems very stupid from a cognition point of view. IIRC Air France Flight 447 stalled due to the same issue.
- raverbashing 13y ago
  There's a comment down below that explains the reasoning But the Asiana crash is a Boeing 777
- sneak 13y ago
  Force feedback joysticks are so 2008

tankenmate 13y ago

Back in the old days of flying (multi engine, no hydraulics) it was typically the right seat that controlled the throttle and hence would have primary responsibility for monitoring the airspeed. So I would say that at least two of the three pilots in the cockpit should have had an eye on the IAS. Also, four red on short always means instant throttle up and evaluate the need for a go around.