> surely you can come up with more than 1 confirmed case within the past 30 years? See, that's an interesting claim. "Surely, if there were clandestine activit

> surely you can come up with more than 1 confirmed case within the past 30 years? See, that's an interesting claim. "Surely, if there were clandestine activities, we'd know about them and have solid proof about them."