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How many people honestly find the attitude that "I can get away with it, therefore it is ok to do" acceptable? Yeah, they can't prove it was you, but we both k
by mehwoot 13y ago
How many people honestly find the attitude that "I can get away with it, therefore it is ok to do" acceptable?
Yeah, they can't prove it was you, but we both know that you were speeding. Furthermore since it is your car, in 99% of cases it is either you or someone you lent your car to.
Would this be different if it was a drink driving case? I'm sorry, but for all your opinion on why it's legal for you to do this, I think you're a fucking douchebag.
- coralreef 13y agoWhat good are your legal rights if you refuse to exercise them?
- doughj3 13y agoLegal rights should protect you from the government, not get you off of a crime you committed.
- coralreef 13y agoConsider that in America, everything is a crime, we all commit crimes every day, from jay walking to improper lane changing to viewing pirated content on the internet. Legal rights also protect you from the a government's overzealous, overreaching, and overbearing enforcement.
- scoofy 13y agoI don't follow most laws because i'm afraid of jail. I follow most laws because i think they make society better, and it's my duty. Speed limits are one of the laws that i think make society better. I'd pay the ticket, not because i had to, but because i have a fucking conscience.
- mehwoot 13y agoYeah, cause not using your legal rights to escape punishment when you are guilty is exactly the same as not exercising them when you are innocent. This attitude actually erodes our legal rights, because it causes police officers, judges and jurors to have less reason to think people are acting in good faith when they exercise their rights, causing innocent people to be found guilty and eventually leading to these rights being weakened by having the law change.
- zimbatm 13y agoI don't think we read the same article. From his letter I understood somebody else was driving the vehicle: "I also see find no legal requirement for me to implicate someone else in this process, as it is the government’s responsibility to prove a person’s guilt. It is also my 5th amendment right to remain silent on the matter." It's just a speeding ticket but I hope that for something more serious they aren't so lazy on proofs. Hand-wavy justice is not good either for the system.
- mehwoot 13y agoHe doesn't say anyone else was driving the car, and there is no reason to assume anyone else was, since he says I am always in the habit of fighting my tickets and NOT pre-paying them so I don’t have to go to court – like many folks do.
- coralreef 13y agoThis attitude actually erodes our legal rights, because it causes police officers, judges and jurors to have less reason to think people are acting in good faith when they exercise their rights, causing innocent people to be found guilty and eventually leading to these rights being weakened by having the law change. Innocent people around found guilty because they think they have nothing to hide, they make statements that inadvertently end up hurting them, and the police or prosecutors do not care. It is called an adversarial system for a reason; they are not on your side. And news flash: police can/have been dishonest, will lie to suspects, etc. "Good faith" has nothing to do with exercising your rights. Being guilty or innocent has nothing to do with your rights. You are entitled to your rights regardless. Your idea of judges and jurors being jaded by guilty people pleading innocent is not real.
- mehwoot 13y agoNone of that applies in this case though. There are states where the law is, if it is your car, you pay the fine. It is that way exactly because people like this dude will try and get out of paying the fine, and so the law has had to be changed. That means, in the rare occurrence that you actually were not driving your car and you don't know who was (and it wasn't stolen, that you know of), you have no way to get out of your ticket. This type of behavior has directly led to a situation where innocent people have lost their rights. Your idea of judges and jurors being jaded by guilty people pleading innocent is not real. Ok, so explain why states have laws where you must show you reported your car stolen to get out of a ticket? What would be the point of that, except if people who were guilty were using such arguments as these to get out of tickets? Laws restricting rights like this are enacted all the freaking time because of behavior like this article.
- alwaysdoit 13y agoTheoretically there exists some flexibility in the law to avoid erroneously punishing innocent people.
- elteto 13y agoIndeed he is, and not much better than the cop that pulled him over in the other story that he linked to. He lost all moral high ground to me, by assuming that fuck them, I can get away with it! attitude. I can be a staunch libertarian and renegade all I want, but if I blow a light and get ticket, I know I deserve the fine and I'll pay it. This guy, on the other hand, is so far on the end of the spectrum that doesn't realize he is just being a jerk. Things taken to the extreme are seldom good.
- bobdvb 13y agoNoticing he is a veteran reminds me of the phrase "barrack-room lawyer": http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Barrack%20room%20lawyer http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Barrack%20roo... The constitution was intended to defend and hold together the nation, not to allow people to weasel out of trouble. In my view: if you get caught you pay, if you don't get caught you count yourself lucky.