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> The deleted the joke and apologized pretty much immediately. But now it's fair game to release their private emails and generally insult them all over the int

by sheetjs 13y ago

> The deleted the joke and apologized pretty much immediately. But now it's fair game to release their private emails and generally insult them all over the internet? Given that there is no confidentiality notice in the email, I don't see how either party could expect that the conversation was private. More generally, if they didn't think it was offensive in the first place, why did they delete the joke? Why not stand behind it? Own up to it? Do you expect some sort of mental erasure where everyone magically forgets that this happened in the first place? > What's wrong with you? For someone pretending to be a sensitive person you're sure lacking in empathy. Please tell me where Kyle signed a confidentiality agreement with Tom. If you point it out, I would agree that releasing the email is inappropriate. > So, you don't know a single person in your life who is actually a very decent human being but made an "unacceptable" joke some time? You don't believe people can be just ignorant about a certain issue without being horrible people? I fail to see how you can be ignorant about rape in the same way that I fail to see how you can be ignorant about murder or genocide. BTW: Note that I didn't use the word "unacceptable" in any of my responses here. You are touching upon a key point, namely the long-term memory of the Internet. That's a much longer discussion, and I intentionally avoided judgment statements regarding the nature of the memory, but it would be to your benefit to act as if statements made on the Internet are in the public record

gametheoretic 13y ago
>Please tell me where Kyle signed a confidentiality agreement with Tom. If you point it out, I would agree that releasing the email is inappropriate. Statements of this category are not going to persuade anyone to your side in a debate over social tact.
datnewthang 13y ago
>confidentiality agreement It's not about legality, it's about the expectation of privacy. Email is by default private. Here's how I see this: Tom emails Kyle about a job. Kyle turns it down because of his discomfort with the firm. Tom asks what he's talking about. He says "that one joke you once made" and immediately posts the whole thing on the internet to get internet points from his internet friends for fighting the man or some other misguided emotion. >I fail to see how you can be ignorant about rape in the same way that I fail to see how you can be ignorant about murder or genocide. I'm not talking about rape. I'm talking about the cultural import and context of rape jokes. That it's a topic that can potentially trigger rape victims and cause more hurt than intended is a function of our current social circumstances, and that kind of sensitivity comes with education. Some people don't have that education, and it's okay. They aren't bad people necessarily. Again, you don't know any good people who make bad jokes? I can't believe that. >More generally, if they didn't think it was offensive in the first place, why did they delete the joke? But that's the point! It is offensive, and they did the right thing by deleting it and apologizing. What's the beef now? I don't expect mental erasure, but the other extreme of making a blacklist of everyone who ever made a joke that made you uncomfortable isn't right either. Give people a chance to better themselves and you will have a better world. If you just keep shaming offenders till the end of time how do you ever expect them to see the light?

by sheetjs 13y ago

gametheoretic 13y ago

>Please tell me where Kyle signed a confidentiality agreement with Tom. If you point it out, I would agree that releasing the email is inappropriate. Statements of this category are not going to persuade anyone to your side in a debate over social tact.

datnewthang 13y ago

>confidentiality agreement It's not about legality, it's about the expectation of privacy. Email is by default private. Here's how I see this: Tom emails Kyle about a job. Kyle turns it down because of his discomfort with the firm. Tom asks what he's talking about. He says "that one joke you once made" and immediately posts the whole thing on the internet to get internet points from his internet friends for fighting the man or some other misguided emotion. >I fail to see how you can be ignorant about rape in the same way that I fail to see how you can be ignorant about murder or genocide. I'm not talking about rape. I'm talking about the cultural import and context of rape jokes. That it's a topic that can potentially trigger rape victims and cause more hurt than intended is a function of our current social circumstances, and that kind of sensitivity comes with education. Some people don't have that education, and it's okay. They aren't bad people necessarily. Again, you don't know any good people who make bad jokes? I can't believe that. >More generally, if they didn't think it was offensive in the first place, why did they delete the joke? But that's the point! It is offensive, and they did the right thing by deleting it and apologizing. What's the beef now? I don't expect mental erasure, but the other extreme of making a blacklist of everyone who ever made a joke that made you uncomfortable isn't right either. Give people a chance to better themselves and you will have a better world. If you just keep shaming offenders till the end of time how do you ever expect them to see the light?