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I'm just going to come out and say I think 104 incidents of the 100,000 - 1,000,000+ riding the trains is pretty low... Further, I know multiple women (or I gu

I'm just going to come out and say I think 104 incidents of the 100,000 - 1,000,000+ riding the trains is pretty low... Further, I know multiple women (or I guess men) who would over react if they were accidentally touched and in a bad mood, tired, hungry, etc. With Japan's very large population in a relatively small place I can imagine this happening often. I am sure that groping happens, but it seems as though this is at least as much hype as it is facts.

EGreg 13y ago
It is also implemented in Brazil and several other countries for years. One article about the Brazil trains said the grandmothers used to bring needles to ward off the gropey guys back in the day.
whyenot 13y ago
104 reported incidents on a single subway line. The number of unreported incidents is likely much higher.
- chronic25 13y ago
  Even an order of magnitude more is still insignificant.
- sfall 13y ago
  Unfortunately there is no way to determine if the actual is 110 or 1100 so you can only base off reported incidents
  - thaumasiotes 13y ago
    This isn't true at all. For example, here in the US we keep statistics on reported crimes, but we also have the National Crime Victimization Survey.
graeme 13y ago
"....And that figure is most likely just a fraction of the total since many victims don’t come forward out of embarrassment, inconvenience, or the sheer difficulty of figuring out who on a packed subway car touched them." Would you go to the police to say that someone fondled your breast, but you don't know who, and the train has left now? I've talked to Japanese women who say that groping is very much a thing on trains there.
ojii 13y ago
From wikipedia: " Groping in crowded commuter trains has been a problem in Japan; according to a survey conducted by Tokyo Metropolitan Police and East Japan Railway Company, two-thirds of female passengers in their twenties and thirties reported that they had been groped on trains, and the majority had been victimized frequently." can't check the source as it's behind a mobile paywall.

EGreg 13y ago

It is also implemented in Brazil and several other countries for years. One article about the Brazil trains said the grandmothers used to bring needles to ward off the gropey guys back in the day.

whyenot 13y ago

104 reported incidents on a single subway line. The number of unreported incidents is likely much higher.

chronic25 13y ago
Even an order of magnitude more is still insignificant.
sfall 13y ago
Unfortunately there is no way to determine if the actual is 110 or 1100 so you can only base off reported incidents
- thaumasiotes 13y ago
  This isn't true at all. For example, here in the US we keep statistics on reported crimes, but we also have the National Crime Victimization Survey.

graeme 13y ago

"....And that figure is most likely just a fraction of the total since many victims don’t come forward out of embarrassment, inconvenience, or the sheer difficulty of figuring out who on a packed subway car touched them." Would you go to the police to say that someone fondled your breast, but you don't know who, and the train has left now? I've talked to Japanese women who say that groping is very much a thing on trains there.

ojii 13y ago

From wikipedia: " Groping in crowded commuter trains has been a problem in Japan; according to a survey conducted by Tokyo Metropolitan Police and East Japan Railway Company, two-thirds of female passengers in their twenties and thirties reported that they had been groped on trains, and the majority had been victimized frequently." can't check the source as it's behind a mobile paywall.