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I went through this. Spent a total of two weeks trying to get the game to work -- even went it and bought new hardware. I went out of my way to show record benc

I went through this. Spent a total of two weeks trying to get the game to work -- even went it and bought new hardware. I went out of my way to show record bench marking results. It's not my card, it's not my power supply, it's the buggy game. 2weeks of being jerked around by steam, doing every. Single. One. Of their suggestion AND logging that I did them. No result. The end result could be boiled down to "sucks for you. We don't give refund." In the end, I ate the $60. I wasn't going to risk my entire game library over one game. I must say though, the events certainly "raised my consciousness" to the fact that owning digital things is in a really crappy place right now. What other company do we allow the right to reach into our house and pull back things that we have rightfully purchased? It's really quite absurd.

jamra 13y ago
I believe they won't delete your game library, however, they will lock you out of future purchases.
- kbenson 13y ago
  Do they keep you from creating a second account for purchasing and gifting what you buy?
ahomescu1 13y ago
> What other company do we allow the right to reach into our house and pull back things that we have rightfully purchased? Amazon with Kindle books.
- goostavos 13y ago
  That's true. And also why I don't buy from them anymore. I'm doing the best I can to vote with my wallet. Which means pretty much the only place I purchase ebooks from anymore is OReilly, as they give plain old, drm free pdfs.
  - owenversteeg 13y ago
    Why would they give you old PDFs? :) Jokes aside, I had no idea that OReilly gave PDFs with their books. I thought that was only something that much smaller publishers did.
ekianjo 13y ago
dont you agree when you buy a game, that there wont a refund?
- goostavos 13y ago
  I'm sure it's in their Terms of Service. The question that needs answered though is who is liable for non working software? It seems remarkably anti-consumer that every software purchase should be a risk. If I meet the minimum requirements, if I can show bench marks, "prove" system stability, and run every other game in my library with the exception of this specific game, who is liable? Is it my fault that their game doesn't run on my system? That's an honest question, cause I don't know. I know that as a developer, if something I've written doesn't run on a computer that I consider it a fault in my software. Or, can at least recognize that an external force (i.e. a Bit Locker or something) will prevent that software from ever running due to permission issues, at which point a refund would be in order. I just can't wrap my head around not being viable for a broken product.
  - voyou 13y ago
    "The question that needs answered though is who is liable for non working software?" Valve are. As a matter of law, any seller is responsible for selling a working product. If Valve claim otherwise, they're lying, and probably breaking the law in doing so.
LinXitoW 13y ago
Its been ages, but does a brick and mortar take back games that arent shrinkwrapped anymore?
- neona 13y ago
  Generally not. I work in retail and we're not really supposed to take PC games back, though this is often fudged. Console games we'll take back if our disk tester says they're faulty.
baby 13y ago
I'm having a hard time believing you since nowhere you tell us the name of the game.
Joeri 13y ago
It's not a purchase, it's a rental with the entire rent paid up front. You know it's a rental because you enter into a continuing contract with them, which causes the games to be returned when either party breaks the contract. You have to map your mental model to view it that way, and put a matching value on things. It's why i only 'buy' games on steam when they're steeply discounted because that's the only time they're fairly priced. Anyway, at some point this is going to get regulated, especially in the EU. They won't be allowed to use terms like 'purchase' and 'buy' without a specific legal consequence (like the right of resale). Until then we can only hope they get onerous enough to get on the radar of lawmakers.
- nhaehnle 13y ago
  They won't be allowed to use terms like 'purchase' and 'buy' without a specific legal consequence (like the right of resale). I really like this idea. Make sure that words that if you want to claim to 'sell' something, you actually have to fulfill criteria that guarantee buyers' rights. It makes a lot of sense and would eliminate a lot of bullshit in digital distribution.

jamra 13y ago

I believe they won't delete your game library, however, they will lock you out of future purchases.

kbenson 13y ago
Do they keep you from creating a second account for purchasing and gifting what you buy?

ahomescu1 13y ago

> What other company do we allow the right to reach into our house and pull back things that we have rightfully purchased? Amazon with Kindle books.

goostavos 13y ago
That's true. And also why I don't buy from them anymore. I'm doing the best I can to vote with my wallet. Which means pretty much the only place I purchase ebooks from anymore is OReilly, as they give plain old, drm free pdfs.
- owenversteeg 13y ago
  Why would they give you old PDFs? :) Jokes aside, I had no idea that OReilly gave PDFs with their books. I thought that was only something that much smaller publishers did.

ekianjo 13y ago

dont you agree when you buy a game, that there wont a refund?

goostavos 13y ago
I'm sure it's in their Terms of Service. The question that needs answered though is who is liable for non working software? It seems remarkably anti-consumer that every software purchase should be a risk. If I meet the minimum requirements, if I can show bench marks, "prove" system stability, and run every other game in my library with the exception of this specific game, who is liable? Is it my fault that their game doesn't run on my system? That's an honest question, cause I don't know. I know that as a developer, if something I've written doesn't run on a computer that I consider it a fault in my software. Or, can at least recognize that an external force (i.e. a Bit Locker or something) will prevent that software from ever running due to permission issues, at which point a refund would be in order. I just can't wrap my head around not being viable for a broken product.
- voyou 13y ago
  "The question that needs answered though is who is liable for non working software?" Valve are. As a matter of law, any seller is responsible for selling a working product. If Valve claim otherwise, they're lying, and probably breaking the law in doing so.

LinXitoW 13y ago

Its been ages, but does a brick and mortar take back games that arent shrinkwrapped anymore?

neona 13y ago
Generally not. I work in retail and we're not really supposed to take PC games back, though this is often fudged. Console games we'll take back if our disk tester says they're faulty.

baby 13y ago

I'm having a hard time believing you since nowhere you tell us the name of the game.

Joeri 13y ago

It's not a purchase, it's a rental with the entire rent paid up front. You know it's a rental because you enter into a continuing contract with them, which causes the games to be returned when either party breaks the contract. You have to map your mental model to view it that way, and put a matching value on things. It's why i only 'buy' games on steam when they're steeply discounted because that's the only time they're fairly priced. Anyway, at some point this is going to get regulated, especially in the EU. They won't be allowed to use terms like 'purchase' and 'buy' without a specific legal consequence (like the right of resale). Until then we can only hope they get onerous enough to get on the radar of lawmakers.

nhaehnle 13y ago
They won't be allowed to use terms like 'purchase' and 'buy' without a specific legal consequence (like the right of resale). I really like this idea. Make sure that words that if you want to claim to 'sell' something, you actually have to fulfill criteria that guarantee buyers' rights. It makes a lot of sense and would eliminate a lot of bullshit in digital distribution.