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For those who don't know, Fallout 2 is probably one of the best RPG for the computer ever. With the proper mods and fixes it's really playable and enjoyable on

For those who don't know, Fallout 2 is probably one of the best RPG for the computer ever. With the proper mods and fixes it's really playable and enjoyable on a recent computer (I really recommend the hi-res patch http://falloutmods.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout2_High_Resolution_Patch http://falloutmods.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout2_High_Resolution_P... for starters). Fallout 3 New Vegas came close to Fallout 2 in terms of ambiance and game play, but not close enough (mainly because of the combat system). I really envy those who will discover this game.

mercurial 13y ago
Both Fallouts are very good, but don't reach the heights of Planescape Torment in terms of writing or character development. I didn't play Fallout 3, but Fallout New Vegas' combat was abysmal. I actually liked the idea of wandering around in the wastelands, as opposed to traveling via the map (that's what Bethesda has been doing all along: exploration games with bad combat and NPCs-as-banks of informations), but I wouldn't want to sacrifice combat to it. They also tried to incorporate some survival elements, but it's not enforced enough to play much of a role in practice. There was an interesting discussion on RPS about Pillars of Eternity, a Baldur's Gate spiritual successor, about how leaving isometric 3D behind was a step backward in terms of graphics, and I tend to agree. I'm glad to see it coming back.
- mcv 13y ago
  I'm currently playing Fallout: New Vegas, and the real-time FPS combat is remarkably playable (though I normally hate FPS games). The VATS is terrible, and not a good replacement for the combat systems of 1 and 2. After Planescape: Torment, Fallout 1 and 2 were probably among the best CRPGs ever. That was really the golden age of CRPGs. Only The Witcher really added some real value (unfortunately The Witcher 2 has the most horrible combat I've ever experienced in a CRPG). If you love the classic isometric games, also check out Shadowrun Returns. It's not quite up there with Torment and the Fallouts, but it's well worth playing.
  - mercurial 13y ago
    Baldur's Gate 2 was very good too, and was (AFAIK) the first CRPG to develop party NPCs to such an extent. And fortunately, you could dump most of the awful, strangleable NPCs from Baldur's Gate 1.
    - kangax 13y ago
      Amen. Recent Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition (on iPad) was enjoyable trip down the memory lane.
  - knowitall 13y ago
    Gothic 2, Risen
- blah32497 13y ago
  Looking at "Pillars of Eternity" it looks like a bit of a step back. While I like the artistic style, the whole thing just looks very dated. They're definitely going for the nostalgic demographic here. I think what bothers me the most is the relative lack of interactivity with the environment. There is some lighting things that looks kinda neat, and some water level stuff... but it seems limited. It just looks like a polished Diablo/Baldur's Gate clone. That being said, I think if the game has a great story then that may be good enough. Though honestly - there really should be a tool like RPG maker so that amateurs can implement their stories in a game using a simple drop and drop UI with maybe some very simple scripting
gavanwoolery 13y ago
I agree - I regard Fallout 2 as one of the best RPGs ever (Ultima 7 was a landmark in terms of sandbox/simulation RPGs, but lacked the strong gameplay mechanics of Fallout 1 and 2). I never played Baldur's Gate 2 (for whatever reason, I am slightly turned off by DnD's mechanics). I also never played Planescape Torment, but I'm sure it is good as well. Fallout 1/2 are some of the primary inspirations in the game I am currently making.

mercurial 13y ago

Both Fallouts are very good, but don't reach the heights of Planescape Torment in terms of writing or character development. I didn't play Fallout 3, but Fallout New Vegas' combat was abysmal. I actually liked the idea of wandering around in the wastelands, as opposed to traveling via the map (that's what Bethesda has been doing all along: exploration games with bad combat and NPCs-as-banks of informations), but I wouldn't want to sacrifice combat to it. They also tried to incorporate some survival elements, but it's not enforced enough to play much of a role in practice. There was an interesting discussion on RPS about Pillars of Eternity, a Baldur's Gate spiritual successor, about how leaving isometric 3D behind was a step backward in terms of graphics, and I tend to agree. I'm glad to see it coming back.

mcv 13y ago
I'm currently playing Fallout: New Vegas, and the real-time FPS combat is remarkably playable (though I normally hate FPS games). The VATS is terrible, and not a good replacement for the combat systems of 1 and 2. After Planescape: Torment, Fallout 1 and 2 were probably among the best CRPGs ever. That was really the golden age of CRPGs. Only The Witcher really added some real value (unfortunately The Witcher 2 has the most horrible combat I've ever experienced in a CRPG). If you love the classic isometric games, also check out Shadowrun Returns. It's not quite up there with Torment and the Fallouts, but it's well worth playing.
- mercurial 13y ago
  Baldur's Gate 2 was very good too, and was (AFAIK) the first CRPG to develop party NPCs to such an extent. And fortunately, you could dump most of the awful, strangleable NPCs from Baldur's Gate 1.
  - kangax 13y ago
    Amen. Recent Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition (on iPad) was enjoyable trip down the memory lane.
- knowitall 13y ago
  Gothic 2, Risen
blah32497 13y ago
Looking at "Pillars of Eternity" it looks like a bit of a step back. While I like the artistic style, the whole thing just looks very dated. They're definitely going for the nostalgic demographic here. I think what bothers me the most is the relative lack of interactivity with the environment. There is some lighting things that looks kinda neat, and some water level stuff... but it seems limited. It just looks like a polished Diablo/Baldur's Gate clone. That being said, I think if the game has a great story then that may be good enough. Though honestly - there really should be a tool like RPG maker so that amateurs can implement their stories in a game using a simple drop and drop UI with maybe some very simple scripting

gavanwoolery 13y ago

I agree - I regard Fallout 2 as one of the best RPGs ever (Ultima 7 was a landmark in terms of sandbox/simulation RPGs, but lacked the strong gameplay mechanics of Fallout 1 and 2). I never played Baldur's Gate 2 (for whatever reason, I am slightly turned off by DnD's mechanics). I also never played Planescape Torment, but I'm sure it is good as well. Fallout 1/2 are some of the primary inspirations in the game I am currently making.