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Still not sure how this varies from a basic bulk vitamin and mineral powder (besides the übernerd ego "this one weird nutritional trick" loyalty marketing): htt

by seiji 13y ago

Still not sure how this varies from a basic bulk vitamin and mineral powder (besides the übernerd ego "this one weird nutritional trick" loyalty marketing): http://www.gnc.com/graphics/product_images/pGNC1-9331188_gnclabel_pdf.pdf http://www.gnc.com/graphics/product_images/pGNC1-9331188_gnc...

garblegarble 13y ago
To be honest, neither am I - although part of it seems to be the idea of this as a complete diet replacement rather than a supplement (although I suspect the existing products are marketed as a supplement for legal reasons more than anything else and Soylent may have to use the same language)
- yaddayadda 13y ago
  The FDA considers Soylent a food. "According to Arthur Whitmore, a press officer with the FDA’s Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Soylent would fall into the category of what the FDA considers food. Unlike a medication, Soylent will not require FDA approval, unless it contains some new type of food additive, which Rhinehart would need to disclose. It’s important to Rhinehart that Soylent be considered a food, as opposed to a medicine or supplement, so that food-stamp recipients can buy it using EBT cards." http://www.healthline.com/health-news/tech-is-powdered-soylent-the-food-of-the-future-062613 http://www.healthline.com/health-news/tech-is-powdered-soyle... http://discourse.soylent.me/t/fda-press-officer-comment/3783 http://discourse.soylent.me/t/fda-press-officer-comment/3783
  - saalweachter 13y ago
    One month of Soylent is currently $255; the maximum SNAP benefit for a single person is $189. If he makes his $5/day target, maybe, but the SNAP benefit for the Nth person in an N person household decreases to $142.
    - yaddayadda 13y ago
      This has already been acknowledged within the Soylent community: - http://discourse.soylent.me/t/soylent-and-food-stamps-ebt/3315 http://discourse.soylent.me/t/soylent-and-food-stamps-ebt/33... - http://discourse.soylent.me/t/food-stamp-friendly-soylent/4424/4 http://discourse.soylent.me/t/food-stamp-friendly-soylent/44... Within the Soylent community, there are two acknowledged classes of soylent. The two are distinguished by using "Soylent" when referring to the "official" recipe, and "soylent" when referring to DIY versions. Rob has stated several times that he isn't going to patent the Soylent recipe. The reason is because the only product on the market that comes even close to Soylent for complete nutrition (without lots of harmful other components) is Plumpy'nut [1]. Plumpy'nut's recipe is patented, so even if someone could produce it cheaper, they can't legally produce it. Rob is keeping the Soylent formula open in large part so that other people can produce exact and comparable versions. In addition, Rob has not only allowed others to develop comparable version, but outright encouraged it. So much so that when NickP developed a tool to develop recipes based on a list of ingredients and individual goals, Rob promoted the tool and gave it a home on the official soylent.me domain - http://diy.soylent.me/ http://diy.soylent.me/ In otherwords, people are being actively encouraged by the founder of Soylent to develop versions of soylent that meet needs that are not met by Soylent. And people are rising to the challenge - http://diy.soylent.me/recipes?sort=dailyCost&pctComplete=0.9 http://diy.soylent.me/recipes?sort=dailyCost&pctComplete=0.9 There's even a 100% complete recipe that can be made for $2.45 per day; this works out to about $74.73 a month - http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/low-entry-barrier-soylent http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/low-entry-barrier-soylent tl;dr - Your concern has been already been acknowledged by the community; there are alternative recipes, including one that works out to $74.73 a month, which is well under the $225 SNAP allowance. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy%27nut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy%27nut
gnoway 13y ago
The product you link to contains 100kcal/serving. If you attempted to live off of this @2000kcal/day, you'd be going through 2/3+ of your container every day. It seems likely that you'd overshoot some of your micronutrients. Finally, Amazon has this GNC product as $40/can or $0.013/kcal. Soylent is alleged to provide an appropriate amount of kcal, carbs, fat, protein and micronutrients/vitamins in a normal number of servings per day (e.g. 3). It's currently much less expensive than the GNC product at roughly ~$0.0038/kcal (assuming $255/mo, 84 meals/mo, 800 kcal/meal for men's formula).
- seiji 13y ago
  bzzt you ran out of context. The context of the post is "micronutrient" things, which a vitamin supplement powder surely provides a comparison for. The Soylent post reads like someone re-inventing a programming language and writing a paragraph each about "Now, we are including a 'for loop' because people want to iterate over variables while increasing their values. This can be used for activities like..." — it's all just very elementary school boot report feeling. We're not talking about eating 20 scoops of vitamin powder a day to live off of. That would hurt pretty bad.
  - gnoway 13y ago
    Sorry, I misunderstood the context. You said something to the effect of 'still don't understand how this varies', except the micronutrient profile was released on 12/12, so that kind of bounds your curiosity at one day, which is confusing. Unless you really meant the product as a whole in comparison to the vitamin and mineral powder, in which my reply was an overcomplicated way of saying "it's not a basic bulk vitamin and mineral powder."

by seiji 13y ago

garblegarble 13y ago

To be honest, neither am I - although part of it seems to be the idea of this as a complete diet replacement rather than a supplement (although I suspect the existing products are marketed as a supplement for legal reasons more than anything else and Soylent may have to use the same language)

yaddayadda 13y ago
The FDA considers Soylent a food. "According to Arthur Whitmore, a press officer with the FDA’s Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Soylent would fall into the category of what the FDA considers food. Unlike a medication, Soylent will not require FDA approval, unless it contains some new type of food additive, which Rhinehart would need to disclose. It’s important to Rhinehart that Soylent be considered a food, as opposed to a medicine or supplement, so that food-stamp recipients can buy it using EBT cards." http://www.healthline.com/health-news/tech-is-powdered-soylent-the-food-of-the-future-062613 http://www.healthline.com/health-news/tech-is-powdered-soyle... http://discourse.soylent.me/t/fda-press-officer-comment/3783 http://discourse.soylent.me/t/fda-press-officer-comment/3783
- saalweachter 13y ago
  One month of Soylent is currently $255; the maximum SNAP benefit for a single person is $189. If he makes his $5/day target, maybe, but the SNAP benefit for the Nth person in an N person household decreases to $142.
  - yaddayadda 13y ago
    This has already been acknowledged within the Soylent community: - http://discourse.soylent.me/t/soylent-and-food-stamps-ebt/3315 http://discourse.soylent.me/t/soylent-and-food-stamps-ebt/33... - http://discourse.soylent.me/t/food-stamp-friendly-soylent/4424/4 http://discourse.soylent.me/t/food-stamp-friendly-soylent/44... Within the Soylent community, there are two acknowledged classes of soylent. The two are distinguished by using "Soylent" when referring to the "official" recipe, and "soylent" when referring to DIY versions. Rob has stated several times that he isn't going to patent the Soylent recipe. The reason is because the only product on the market that comes even close to Soylent for complete nutrition (without lots of harmful other components) is Plumpy'nut [1]. Plumpy'nut's recipe is patented, so even if someone could produce it cheaper, they can't legally produce it. Rob is keeping the Soylent formula open in large part so that other people can produce exact and comparable versions. In addition, Rob has not only allowed others to develop comparable version, but outright encouraged it. So much so that when NickP developed a tool to develop recipes based on a list of ingredients and individual goals, Rob promoted the tool and gave it a home on the official soylent.me domain - http://diy.soylent.me/ http://diy.soylent.me/ In otherwords, people are being actively encouraged by the founder of Soylent to develop versions of soylent that meet needs that are not met by Soylent. And people are rising to the challenge - http://diy.soylent.me/recipes?sort=dailyCost&pctComplete=0.9 http://diy.soylent.me/recipes?sort=dailyCost&pctComplete=0.9 There's even a 100% complete recipe that can be made for $2.45 per day; this works out to about $74.73 a month - http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/low-entry-barrier-soylent http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/low-entry-barrier-soylent tl;dr - Your concern has been already been acknowledged by the community; there are alternative recipes, including one that works out to $74.73 a month, which is well under the $225 SNAP allowance. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy%27nut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy%27nut

gnoway 13y ago

The product you link to contains 100kcal/serving. If you attempted to live off of this @2000kcal/day, you'd be going through 2/3+ of your container every day. It seems likely that you'd overshoot some of your micronutrients. Finally, Amazon has this GNC product as $40/can or $0.013/kcal. Soylent is alleged to provide an appropriate amount of kcal, carbs, fat, protein and micronutrients/vitamins in a normal number of servings per day (e.g. 3). It's currently much less expensive than the GNC product at roughly ~$0.0038/kcal (assuming $255/mo, 84 meals/mo, 800 kcal/meal for men's formula).

seiji 13y ago
bzzt you ran out of context. The context of the post is "micronutrient" things, which a vitamin supplement powder surely provides a comparison for. The Soylent post reads like someone re-inventing a programming language and writing a paragraph each about "Now, we are including a 'for loop' because people want to iterate over variables while increasing their values. This can be used for activities like..." — it's all just very elementary school boot report feeling. We're not talking about eating 20 scoops of vitamin powder a day to live off of. That would hurt pretty bad.
- gnoway 13y ago
  Sorry, I misunderstood the context. You said something to the effect of 'still don't understand how this varies', except the micronutrient profile was released on 12/12, so that kind of bounds your curiosity at one day, which is confusing. Unless you really meant the product as a whole in comparison to the vitamin and mineral powder, in which my reply was an overcomplicated way of saying "it's not a basic bulk vitamin and mineral powder."