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How exactly? You're still in a 2 year contract. Whether you're using T-mobile's SIM or not is completely irrelevant. You signed a 2 year contract with AT&T and

by salient 13y ago

How exactly? You're still in a 2 year contract. Whether you're using T-mobile's SIM or not is completely irrelevant. You signed a 2 year contract with AT&T and you're paying them every last time until that period expires. Unlocking the phone changes nothing. Unless, you actually interrupt the contract with AT&T, but in that case it's not much different than it is today, and you just pay the ETF and you're on your merry way.

smtddr 13y ago
Because the contract isn't the same as a bank loan. They're suppose to be making money on the voice/data usage for 2 years, but you're not using the AT&T sim card anymore. I thought the person I was replying to wasn't happy with the ETF fee since he was debating with the mikestew who said he just paid ETF to make the carrier switch. If we're all in agreement that the current business model needs the ETF fee before unlocking, then I guess I have nothing to say. But anyone who wants their phone unlocked without paying ETF is missing the part where carriers would get screwed on high-end phones. Get a $200 iphone5 from AT&T, next day unlock it without paying ETF and get a cheap prepaid T-Mobile sim and never use the AT&T sim again; thus not paying AT&T's voice/data fees(and we all know they get you on overages). That'd be a problem for the current business model. To make up for the lack of overage-charges they'd have to make the phones more expensive or raise the monthly minimum charge. NOTE: I understand the awkward issue of travel though. I made the mistake of using my AT&T sim in Nigeria once. Maybe smartphones should accept difference SIMs after it determines its in a country other than where it was bought. But of course, then I go to amazon.co.uk and order an iPhone5 to be sent to America. ;)
- stevenwei 13y ago
  > Get a $200 iphone5 from AT&T, next day unlock it without paying ETF and get a cheap prepaid T-Mobile sim and never use the AT&T sim again; thus not paying AT&T's voice/data fees(and we all know they get you on overages). Huh? You would still have to pay your monthly contract to AT&T even if you no longer used the AT&T sim.
  - smtddr 13y ago
    If you're not using the AT&T sim, then you can never incur overage. I don't have the data to back it up, but I'm pretty sure overages are a significant part of their profits. If I'm wrong about that then my argument falls apart and I accept defeat.
    - kalleboo 13y ago
      If you're not using the AT&T SIM, you're also not putting any load on their network, and they can oversell it more without spending any money on network upgrades.
    - DanBC 13y ago
      That just sounds like they are miss-selling their product and they should face some kind of regulation to prevent it happening. Caveat Emptor and everything, but routinely exploiting ignorant customers should not be a business plan.
- fpgeek 13y ago
  No, I disagree that the current business model needs an ETF fee before unlocking. It needs an ETF fee before terminating the contract, but that's not the same thing. There's no issue with unlocking your phone and using T-Mobile while continuing to pay your AT&T bill (except to your wallet). Nor is that scenario outlandish - just replace T-Mobile with a foreign carrier while traveling.

by salient 13y ago

smtddr 13y ago

Because the contract isn't the same as a bank loan. They're suppose to be making money on the voice/data usage for 2 years, but you're not using the AT&T sim card anymore. I thought the person I was replying to wasn't happy with the ETF fee since he was debating with the mikestew who said he just paid ETF to make the carrier switch. If we're all in agreement that the current business model needs the ETF fee before unlocking, then I guess I have nothing to say. But anyone who wants their phone unlocked without paying ETF is missing the part where carriers would get screwed on high-end phones. Get a $200 iphone5 from AT&T, next day unlock it without paying ETF and get a cheap prepaid T-Mobile sim and never use the AT&T sim again; thus not paying AT&T's voice/data fees(and we all know they get you on overages). That'd be a problem for the current business model. To make up for the lack of overage-charges they'd have to make the phones more expensive or raise the monthly minimum charge. NOTE: I understand the awkward issue of travel though. I made the mistake of using my AT&T sim in Nigeria once. Maybe smartphones should accept difference SIMs after it determines its in a country other than where it was bought. But of course, then I go to amazon.co.uk and order an iPhone5 to be sent to America. ;)

stevenwei 13y ago
> Get a $200 iphone5 from AT&T, next day unlock it without paying ETF and get a cheap prepaid T-Mobile sim and never use the AT&T sim again; thus not paying AT&T's voice/data fees(and we all know they get you on overages). Huh? You would still have to pay your monthly contract to AT&T even if you no longer used the AT&T sim.
- smtddr 13y ago
  If you're not using the AT&T sim, then you can never incur overage. I don't have the data to back it up, but I'm pretty sure overages are a significant part of their profits. If I'm wrong about that then my argument falls apart and I accept defeat.
  - kalleboo 13y ago
    If you're not using the AT&T SIM, you're also not putting any load on their network, and they can oversell it more without spending any money on network upgrades.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    That just sounds like they are miss-selling their product and they should face some kind of regulation to prevent it happening. Caveat Emptor and everything, but routinely exploiting ignorant customers should not be a business plan.
fpgeek 13y ago
No, I disagree that the current business model needs an ETF fee before unlocking. It needs an ETF fee before terminating the contract, but that's not the same thing. There's no issue with unlocking your phone and using T-Mobile while continuing to pay your AT&T bill (except to your wallet). Nor is that scenario outlandish - just replace T-Mobile with a foreign carrier while traveling.