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So all authorities have to do to extinguish any "copyright freedom fighter" is to invent charges against them. Then apparently everyone will be A-OK with throwi

So all authorities have to do to extinguish any "copyright freedom fighter" is to invent charges against them. Then apparently everyone will be A-OK with throwing them in solitary. I think it's unlikely. But I also think authorities are sometimes corrupt. The only reason we know anything about this case is because they told us things. We're quick to believe them. Why?

Svip 13y ago
You think the charges are invented? Why?
- vishaldpatel 13y ago
  Has he been proven guilty?
  - tlow 13y ago
    nope.
- jbri 13y ago
  It shouldn't matter whether these specific charges are made-up or not. At this point they're unproven allegations, and it's up to a court to decide whether they're valid or not. It's important to realize that anytime you give the police power over people still facing trial, you give them that same power over anyone they can fabricate spurious charges against. That's why it's important to have things like warrants and pre-trial court orders, so that there's some accountability when the police detain someone over unproven allegations.
  - Svip 13y ago
    Yes. And there has been. He was extradited by a Swedish court. And he was put in solidarity by a Danish court before his trial begins. Or is that not a close to warrant/pre-trial court orders?
    - jbri 13y ago
      I'll confess I'm not intimately familiar with the details of this case, and I'm speaking in generalities. But still - it doesn't matter whether the charges are invented or not, or even what those charges are. What matters is that a judge (not the police) ruled that he should be held until his trial.
      - ivanca 13y ago
        Is extremely wrong that a system trying to impose justice put its suspects under psychological abuse before trial, making them hate society, and therefore increasing the possibility of actually becoming criminals.
haberman 13y ago
Or we could turn this around: all a criminal has to do to win support from the technorati is to help people pirate movies before committing a different crime. Then apparently everyone will find them to be terribly persecuted.
- sillysaurus2 13y ago
  No, if he broke into other people's property (and not merely for the challenge of cracking a safe, i.e. malicious intent) then I hope to see him stand for his crimes. I'm only suggesting that we shouldn't be so quick to take the word of the authorities. Many powerful people would be delighted to see the creators of TPB suffer punishment, justified or not. We should reserve judgement until hearing evidence.
  - ivanca 13y ago
    In this world where the USA government throws billions of dollars to spy its own citizens and foreigners it wouldn't be one bit surprising if we discover media companies are spending millions of dollars trying to create false accusations to bring its enemies down (it would explain Assange trial too)
    - Svip 13y ago
      Maybe. But no private company has charged Svartholm Warg with anything in this case. He is only being charged by the Danish authorities. And Danish authorities are not exactly known for their ruthlessness.
      - ivanca 13y ago
        Money can make people do things they are 'not known for', and I'm talking about completely made-up crimes because for them it's way smarter: 1) Avoid tarnishing the public view of their media company where PR is very important. 2) Supporters seem conflicted ("is about other thing!"). 3) The penalty of those crimes is not controversial (in this case: security information theft) 4) Therefore it doesn't cause a big media fuzz 5) Legislation about the crimes he is being charged with are not likely to change in the future so no new laws with retroactive repercussions will set him free. 6) It still inflicts fear upon similar enemies, because he's still know as "the pirate bay guy who is in jail" not the "the cracker who stole confidential data who is in jail"
tptacek 13y ago
Well, that logic works for any group of people and any possible crime. "All authorities have to do to extinguish 'pro life groups' is invent mail fraud charges against them".
gcb0 13y ago
crimes are usually measured in damage to society. In monetary value. And if we learned anything from former transportation or Drug cases and copyright cases, a copied music has far greater monetary impact to society than a life.

Svip 13y ago

You think the charges are invented? Why?

vishaldpatel 13y ago
Has he been proven guilty?
- tlow 13y ago
  nope.
jbri 13y ago
It shouldn't matter whether these specific charges are made-up or not. At this point they're unproven allegations, and it's up to a court to decide whether they're valid or not. It's important to realize that anytime you give the police power over people still facing trial, you give them that same power over anyone they can fabricate spurious charges against. That's why it's important to have things like warrants and pre-trial court orders, so that there's some accountability when the police detain someone over unproven allegations.
- Svip 13y ago
  Yes. And there has been. He was extradited by a Swedish court. And he was put in solidarity by a Danish court before his trial begins. Or is that not a close to warrant/pre-trial court orders?
  - jbri 13y ago
    I'll confess I'm not intimately familiar with the details of this case, and I'm speaking in generalities. But still - it doesn't matter whether the charges are invented or not, or even what those charges are. What matters is that a judge (not the police) ruled that he should be held until his trial.
    - ivanca 13y ago
      Is extremely wrong that a system trying to impose justice put its suspects under psychological abuse before trial, making them hate society, and therefore increasing the possibility of actually becoming criminals.

haberman 13y ago

Or we could turn this around: all a criminal has to do to win support from the technorati is to help people pirate movies before committing a different crime. Then apparently everyone will find them to be terribly persecuted.

sillysaurus2 13y ago
No, if he broke into other people's property (and not merely for the challenge of cracking a safe, i.e. malicious intent) then I hope to see him stand for his crimes. I'm only suggesting that we shouldn't be so quick to take the word of the authorities. Many powerful people would be delighted to see the creators of TPB suffer punishment, justified or not. We should reserve judgement until hearing evidence.
- ivanca 13y ago
  In this world where the USA government throws billions of dollars to spy its own citizens and foreigners it wouldn't be one bit surprising if we discover media companies are spending millions of dollars trying to create false accusations to bring its enemies down (it would explain Assange trial too)
  - Svip 13y ago
    Maybe. But no private company has charged Svartholm Warg with anything in this case. He is only being charged by the Danish authorities. And Danish authorities are not exactly known for their ruthlessness.
    - ivanca 13y ago
      Money can make people do things they are 'not known for', and I'm talking about completely made-up crimes because for them it's way smarter: 1) Avoid tarnishing the public view of their media company where PR is very important. 2) Supporters seem conflicted ("is about other thing!"). 3) The penalty of those crimes is not controversial (in this case: security information theft) 4) Therefore it doesn't cause a big media fuzz 5) Legislation about the crimes he is being charged with are not likely to change in the future so no new laws with retroactive repercussions will set him free. 6) It still inflicts fear upon similar enemies, because he's still know as "the pirate bay guy who is in jail" not the "the cracker who stole confidential data who is in jail"

tptacek 13y ago

Well, that logic works for any group of people and any possible crime. "All authorities have to do to extinguish 'pro life groups' is invent mail fraud charges against them".

gcb0 13y ago

crimes are usually measured in damage to society. In monetary value. And if we learned anything from former transportation or Drug cases and copyright cases, a copied music has far greater monetary impact to society than a life.