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>The complaint I had was with the false equivalence. No, it wasn't. You inferred that I was stating that ALL republicans put money ahead of the environment by

>The complaint I had was with the false equivalence. No, it wasn't. You inferred that I was stating that ALL republicans put money ahead of the environment by saying: "carries about as much weight as "all Republicans are racists" or "all Democrats hate the rich"." I clearly said MOST and corrected you. You also presented your own useless, anecdotal experience that's in direct odds with the empirical evidence I later presented to you. >The complaint I had was with the false equivalence. You then go on to present your own false equivalence with Democrats, how quaint. >About half of Democrats (48%) say global warming is a very serious problem Nice false equivalency cherry-picking. You're ignoring the rest of the research that clearly shows that most Republicans are notorious for being deniers of everything from warming itself, to it being caused by human activity, along with impact denial. You're actually very much using the tactics of global warming deniers as well. Ignore the vast amount of evidence against your argument, while cherry-picking small sections of data in a desperate attempt to fudge the overall point. >Whether or not Republicans agree on climate change, that does not mean they hate the environment Once AGAIN, I didn't say ALL republicans. But, the fact that MOST put a corporatist, profiteering point of view ahead of a vast majority of climate scientists doesn't actually show a sincere concern for the environment, either. Unless, once again, you want to jump into another foray of fantasy.

bmelton 13y ago
> You're ignoring the rest of the research that clearly shows that most Republicans are notorious for being deniers of everything from warming itself, to it being caused by human activity, along with impact denial. Which doesn't equate to hating the environment, nor does it associate that {non}hatred into profiteering. > You're actually very much using the tactics of global warming deniers as well. Ignore the vast amount of evidence against your argument, while cherry-picking small sections of data in a desperate attempt to fudge the overall point. No, I'm pointing out that your initial statement is meritless, while you attempt to dilute the issue completely. > Once AGAIN, I didn't say ALL republicans. Okay, fine. Even if MOST Republican agree on climate change, that doesn't mean they hate the environment. Even if it does mean that, it doesn't mean that they're hating the environment because it's unprofitable to do otherwise. "In fact, in areas where curbside recycling is available, an overwhelming 70 percent of Democrats and 69 percent of Republicans say they “always” participate." That doesn't seem very hateful to me, even though it clearly isn't profitable to either party. In short, your initial statement was baseless, and shame on you for trying to dilute the issue into plausibility. That isn't how facts work. This still holds true. > In short, you took an almost fact, overvalued its importance, devalued the importance of all other possible environmental concerns, and then drawn incorrect conclusions from that, for the purpose of unnecessarily vilifying roughly half the voting population of America. Edit: Typo which, ironically, was quoted from an original typo I'd made, but which I now can't edit. :-)
- Cowicide 13y ago
  > Which doesn't equate to hating the environment I didn't say they simply "hated the environment" in the first place. You steered away from my points and into a silly territory. You're resorting to goalpost moving instead of just admitting you're wrong. > Even if MOST Republican agree on climate change, that doesn't mean they hate the environment. Once again, you steered it to this inane direction away from my initial point. Almost no one "hates the environment" in itself and I never made such a ridiculous claim. But, many Republicans are clearly more willing to put aside uncomfortable facts, destructive externalities and live in denial and willful ignorance if it helps them make a buck. Sad, but true on many levels beyond the environment. That's NOT to say that others are guilty of such things, but Republicans are far worse than others on the left and plenty of evidence backs this up. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise. > your initial statement was baseless Only if one is to continue to delve into fantasy (as you obviously do) when it comes to the modern Republican party and its supporters in regards to protecting the environment (and lower income class humans for that matter).
  - bmelton 13y ago
    Thanks. That last bit of hyperbole was all that I needed to completely discount your arguments. I'll stop feeding the troll.
    - Cowicide 13y ago
      >That last bit of hyperbole was all that I needed to completely discount your arguments Translation: Any excuse is a good excuse to discount facts you don't like.

bmelton 13y ago

> You're ignoring the rest of the research that clearly shows that most Republicans are notorious for being deniers of everything from warming itself, to it being caused by human activity, along with impact denial. Which doesn't equate to hating the environment, nor does it associate that {non}hatred into profiteering. > You're actually very much using the tactics of global warming deniers as well. Ignore the vast amount of evidence against your argument, while cherry-picking small sections of data in a desperate attempt to fudge the overall point. No, I'm pointing out that your initial statement is meritless, while you attempt to dilute the issue completely. > Once AGAIN, I didn't say ALL republicans. Okay, fine. Even if MOST Republican agree on climate change, that doesn't mean they hate the environment. Even if it does mean that, it doesn't mean that they're hating the environment because it's unprofitable to do otherwise. "In fact, in areas where curbside recycling is available, an overwhelming 70 percent of Democrats and 69 percent of Republicans say they “always” participate." That doesn't seem very hateful to me, even though it clearly isn't profitable to either party. In short, your initial statement was baseless, and shame on you for trying to dilute the issue into plausibility. That isn't how facts work. This still holds true. > In short, you took an almost fact, overvalued its importance, devalued the importance of all other possible environmental concerns, and then drawn incorrect conclusions from that, for the purpose of unnecessarily vilifying roughly half the voting population of America. Edit: Typo which, ironically, was quoted from an original typo I'd made, but which I now can't edit. :-)

Cowicide 13y ago
> Which doesn't equate to hating the environment I didn't say they simply "hated the environment" in the first place. You steered away from my points and into a silly territory. You're resorting to goalpost moving instead of just admitting you're wrong. > Even if MOST Republican agree on climate change, that doesn't mean they hate the environment. Once again, you steered it to this inane direction away from my initial point. Almost no one "hates the environment" in itself and I never made such a ridiculous claim. But, many Republicans are clearly more willing to put aside uncomfortable facts, destructive externalities and live in denial and willful ignorance if it helps them make a buck. Sad, but true on many levels beyond the environment. That's NOT to say that others are guilty of such things, but Republicans are far worse than others on the left and plenty of evidence backs this up. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise. > your initial statement was baseless Only if one is to continue to delve into fantasy (as you obviously do) when it comes to the modern Republican party and its supporters in regards to protecting the environment (and lower income class humans for that matter).
- bmelton 13y ago
  Thanks. That last bit of hyperbole was all that I needed to completely discount your arguments. I'll stop feeding the troll.
  - Cowicide 13y ago
    >That last bit of hyperbole was all that I needed to completely discount your arguments Translation: Any excuse is a good excuse to discount facts you don't like.