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I just hope that it helps drive growth away from Internet Exploder ...

by timje1 13y ago

philbarr 13y ago
Unfortunately the "enterprise" seem set on it. Yesterday I was working with a new content management platform and I had to downgrade my Internet Explorer to 9 because it only works with IE 7,8 and 9. Then that still didn't work because of some MSXML problem I couldn't fix and I ended up having to use a VM with XP installed and IE 8. Un-be-lievable. I don't know who these Enterprisey IT managers are who are making these decisions but they seem to have a lot of power which they are using irresponsibly. And they seem to love IE.
- acomjean 13y ago
  I thought things had gotten better. A decade ago the large company I worked for switched to a web based timecard system. The only problem, ie only and the software team of 50+ all were using hpux or solaris workstations. No ie. Oh and they wanted timecards done daily. The solution? Set up 2 terminals in the lab with a unix backend and a windows NT virtual environment so we can use IE to do timecards.
  - oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
    How complicated can/should a timecard system be? Surely one of those 50+ software engineers could have rewritten a portable version in a few days and saved you a lot of bother.
- anon4 13y ago
  Is that really a bad thing? You have a known working VM image to access one particular system. It will never stop working. At worst we'll just run an x86 emulator on our 10GHz 60-core ARM-based phones.
- codereflection 13y ago
  We go through a lot of the same crud. The latest is they cannot push out IE 10 / 11 to everyone because it would require server upgrades (which is true, but very lame). :/
pcwalton 13y ago
No. Given that IE previews support WebGL and typed arrays, asm.js should run just fine on them. This is entirely the point of asm.js!
- timje1 13y ago
  It gives a fraction of the performance that Firefox gives you. quick google, this guy[0] got IE10 = 11900, chrome = 22500, firefox = 40000 [0]http://www.beyondjava.net/blog/google-adds-asm-js-test-octane-benchmark/ http://www.beyondjava.net/blog/google-adds-asm-js-test-octan... If IE is giving you half the performance of the nearest, free, easily downloaded competitor in your favourite online game, you might be tempted to switch. And this is for the few users that are on IE10!
  - cpeterso 13y ago
    "Runs best in Mozilla Firefox" ;)
    - haberman 13y ago
      Two years ago when the tables were turned and Google announced Dart, which has the same compatibility strategy as asm.js (fastest with explicit support, falls back to regular JS), Brendan Eich had these harsh words for Google's move (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2982949 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2982949): So "Works best in Chrome" and even "Works only in Chrome" are new norms promulgated intentionally by Google. We see more of this fragmentation every day. As a user of Chrome and Firefox (and Safari), I find it painful to experience, never mind the political bad taste. But now "runs best in Mozilla Firefox" is cool? I actually like asm.js and think it's a totally reasonable approach. I mention this only to highlight that maybe all of the bad-faith assumptions Google gets are not entirely deserved. Objectively these two are similar moves and I think they are both in good faith.
      - pcwalton 13y ago
        Obviously I'm not Brendan or Chris Peterson, but I see there being two meanings of "works best in Firefox/Chrome": one of which is "Chrome/Firefox has a faster implementation of the standards" (which is what all browsers strive for—for the Web to "work best" in their browser), and the other of which is "Firefox/Chrome has a faster nonstandard implementation of X and there is a worse, standards-based fallback for browsers that don't support this vendor-specific extension", which is what I read Brendan's frustration as relevant to.

I just hope that it helps drive growth away from Internet Exploder ...

by timje1 13y ago

I just hope that it helps drive growth away from Internet Exploder ...

Unfortunately the "enterprise" seem set on it. Yesterday I was working with a new content management platform and I had to downgrade my Internet Explorer to 9 because it only works with IE 7,8 and 9. Then that still didn't work because of some MSXML problem I couldn't fix and I ended up having to use a VM with XP installed and IE 8. Un-be-lievable. I don't know who these Enterprisey IT managers are who are making these decisions but they seem to have a lot of power which they are using irresponsibly. And they seem to love IE.

acomjean 13y ago
I thought things had gotten better. A decade ago the large company I worked for switched to a web based timecard system. The only problem, ie only and the software team of 50+ all were using hpux or solaris workstations. No ie. Oh and they wanted timecards done daily. The solution? Set up 2 terminals in the lab with a unix backend and a windows NT virtual environment so we can use IE to do timecards.
- oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
  How complicated can/should a timecard system be? Surely one of those 50+ software engineers could have rewritten a portable version in a few days and saved you a lot of bother.
anon4 13y ago
Is that really a bad thing? You have a known working VM image to access one particular system. It will never stop working. At worst we'll just run an x86 emulator on our 10GHz 60-core ARM-based phones.
codereflection 13y ago
We go through a lot of the same crud. The latest is they cannot push out IE 10 / 11 to everyone because it would require server upgrades (which is true, but very lame). :/

pcwalton 13y ago

No. Given that IE previews support WebGL and typed arrays, asm.js should run just fine on them. This is entirely the point of asm.js!

timje1 13y ago
It gives a fraction of the performance that Firefox gives you. quick google, this guy[0] got IE10 = 11900, chrome = 22500, firefox = 40000 [0]http://www.beyondjava.net/blog/google-adds-asm-js-test-octane-benchmark/ http://www.beyondjava.net/blog/google-adds-asm-js-test-octan... If IE is giving you half the performance of the nearest, free, easily downloaded competitor in your favourite online game, you might be tempted to switch. And this is for the few users that are on IE10!
- cpeterso 13y ago
  "Runs best in Mozilla Firefox" ;)
  - haberman 13y ago
    Two years ago when the tables were turned and Google announced Dart, which has the same compatibility strategy as asm.js (fastest with explicit support, falls back to regular JS), Brendan Eich had these harsh words for Google's move (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2982949 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2982949): So "Works best in Chrome" and even "Works only in Chrome" are new norms promulgated intentionally by Google. We see more of this fragmentation every day. As a user of Chrome and Firefox (and Safari), I find it painful to experience, never mind the political bad taste. But now "runs best in Mozilla Firefox" is cool? I actually like asm.js and think it's a totally reasonable approach. I mention this only to highlight that maybe all of the bad-faith assumptions Google gets are not entirely deserved. Objectively these two are similar moves and I think they are both in good faith.
    - pcwalton 13y ago
      Obviously I'm not Brendan or Chris Peterson, but I see there being two meanings of "works best in Firefox/Chrome": one of which is "Chrome/Firefox has a faster implementation of the standards" (which is what all browsers strive for—for the Web to "work best" in their browser), and the other of which is "Firefox/Chrome has a faster nonstandard implementation of X and there is a worse, standards-based fallback for browsers that don't support this vendor-specific extension", which is what I read Brendan's frustration as relevant to.