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IIRC they released two versions simultaneously - one was edited for "maximum impact" and the other was the complete, uncut footage. I think the former is good

IIRC they released two versions simultaneously - one was edited for "maximum impact" and the other was the complete, uncut footage. I think the former is good in a TL;DR sort of way as long as the full material is made available for scrutiny by the public as well.

cobrausn 13y ago
Yeah, it's a great TL;DR that can cause people to hate you for misrepresenting a situation forever. If he had just released the full, unedited video and a shorter unedited snippet of the video, would we still be seeing attacks on his credibility this long after the fact? The shorter video he released lacked some much needed context as to why the pilot of the gunship chose to fire.
- Crito 13y ago
  "If he had just released the full, unedited video and a shorter unedited snippet of the video, would we still be seeing attacks on his credibility this long after the fact?" The number of times I have seen people either flat out lie and claim that the 39minute video does not exist, or lie by omission by never mentioning the release of the 39minute version when criticizing wikileaks for releasing an edited video leads me to believe the answer to your question is "Yes." These people are already grasping for complaints, playing fast and loose with reality to do it. No matter how wikileaks released that video, there would always be a portion of the population with an interest in discrediting it.
  - cobrausn 13y ago
    Releasing the unedited video doesn't get rid of the fact that he released the edited one for 'maximum impact' that happened to obscure the truth of the situation a bit by omitting context and details. 'Lie by omission' indeed.
    - Crito 13y ago
      It's not exactly lying by omission if there is no omission, is it? By your logic, headlines would be banned for not containing the entirety of the content of the full article. You people keep on clinging to the idea that the additional footage somehow dramatically changes the narrative. Maybe in your mind it really does, but most people who have actually watched both would likely disagree.
      - cobrausn 13y ago
        Oh, you actually watched the videos? Here I was just repeating shit I read somewhere. Yeah, we're done here, believe whatever the fuck you want, I doubt you could understand the context I'm talking about anyway.

cobrausn 13y ago

Yeah, it's a great TL;DR that can cause people to hate you for misrepresenting a situation forever. If he had just released the full, unedited video and a shorter unedited snippet of the video, would we still be seeing attacks on his credibility this long after the fact? The shorter video he released lacked some much needed context as to why the pilot of the gunship chose to fire.

Crito 13y ago
"If he had just released the full, unedited video and a shorter unedited snippet of the video, would we still be seeing attacks on his credibility this long after the fact?" The number of times I have seen people either flat out lie and claim that the 39minute video does not exist, or lie by omission by never mentioning the release of the 39minute version when criticizing wikileaks for releasing an edited video leads me to believe the answer to your question is "Yes." These people are already grasping for complaints, playing fast and loose with reality to do it. No matter how wikileaks released that video, there would always be a portion of the population with an interest in discrediting it.
- cobrausn 13y ago
  Releasing the unedited video doesn't get rid of the fact that he released the edited one for 'maximum impact' that happened to obscure the truth of the situation a bit by omitting context and details. 'Lie by omission' indeed.
  - Crito 13y ago
    It's not exactly lying by omission if there is no omission, is it? By your logic, headlines would be banned for not containing the entirety of the content of the full article. You people keep on clinging to the idea that the additional footage somehow dramatically changes the narrative. Maybe in your mind it really does, but most people who have actually watched both would likely disagree.
    - cobrausn 13y ago
      Oh, you actually watched the videos? Here I was just repeating shit I read somewhere. Yeah, we're done here, believe whatever the fuck you want, I doubt you could understand the context I'm talking about anyway.