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I was working on Google Shopping. Lots of images are checked by a combination of machine learning and humans (still, errors happen, as it's lots of data to deal

by xiphias 13y ago

I was working on Google Shopping. Lots of images are checked by a combination of machine learning and humans (still, errors happen, as it's lots of data to deal with). The main problem with the watermarking is that the images can be shown in product listings where an image like this wouldn't look nice and also the image can be used for a product that is sold by multiple merchants.

msy 13y ago
So in short Google wants to use merchant's product images, which they've worked to produce or paid for as generic product images without compensation and if merchants don't like it their account is banned.
- icebraining 13y ago
  Google wants to use them according to the agreement that the merchant signed.
  - sentenza 13y ago
    And that's why I'll be cheering the EU regulators that will sue Google into the ground should their shoppy-thingy ever gain the marketshare of Amazon or Google search.
    - icebraining 13y ago
      They will sue them for preventing merchants from putting watermarks on their images? I find that hard to believe.
      - sentenza 13y ago
        No. They would be sued for forcing merchants to let Google and others use their copyrighted material using the threat of banning them from the store. But that is only relevant if they are one of the dominant players. The reasoning is that they would then be using their market dominance to force merchants to forego their (IP) rights, which is in conflict with EU anti-trust regulations.
        icebraining 13y ago
        But why do say they force the merchants to give up their IP rights?
- raldi 13y ago
  > without compensation Clearly the merchant must be getting something out of the arrangement, or else they wouldn't be concerned about Google walking away from it.
kyle6884 13y ago
This. Search for a product in google shopping and multiple merchants will be clustered around one product image that is chosen from 1 of the merchants. That's the main reason, but it also avoids the ugliness of an ebay search where seemingly every other merchant has bright/bold text claiming free gifts or other such offers.
TrevorJ 13y ago
>the image can be used for a product that is sold by multiple merchants. This is the issue. There's no incentive for me to invest a huge amount of capital to create good product images if I'm forced to basically give them away to my competitors. The end result for Google shopping will be lower image quality because you've created a disincentive for us to create better looking images.

by xiphias 13y ago

msy 13y ago

So in short Google wants to use merchant's product images, which they've worked to produce or paid for as generic product images without compensation and if merchants don't like it their account is banned.

icebraining 13y ago
Google wants to use them according to the agreement that the merchant signed.
- sentenza 13y ago
  And that's why I'll be cheering the EU regulators that will sue Google into the ground should their shoppy-thingy ever gain the marketshare of Amazon or Google search.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    They will sue them for preventing merchants from putting watermarks on their images? I find that hard to believe.
    - sentenza 13y ago
      No. They would be sued for forcing merchants to let Google and others use their copyrighted material using the threat of banning them from the store. But that is only relevant if they are one of the dominant players. The reasoning is that they would then be using their market dominance to force merchants to forego their (IP) rights, which is in conflict with EU anti-trust regulations.
      - icebraining 13y ago
        But why do say they force the merchants to give up their IP rights?
raldi 13y ago
> without compensation Clearly the merchant must be getting something out of the arrangement, or else they wouldn't be concerned about Google walking away from it.

kyle6884 13y ago

This. Search for a product in google shopping and multiple merchants will be clustered around one product image that is chosen from 1 of the merchants. That's the main reason, but it also avoids the ugliness of an ebay search where seemingly every other merchant has bright/bold text claiming free gifts or other such offers.

TrevorJ 13y ago

>the image can be used for a product that is sold by multiple merchants. This is the issue. There's no incentive for me to invest a huge amount of capital to create good product images if I'm forced to basically give them away to my competitors. The end result for Google shopping will be lower image quality because you've created a disincentive for us to create better looking images.