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>from Egypt to Indonesia (Hindu kingdoms spanned that far, yes!). wait, what?? Clear to elaborate? I know alexander had a huge kingdom, i know gnehis khan conq

>from Egypt to Indonesia (Hindu kingdoms spanned that far, yes!). wait, what?? Clear to elaborate? I know alexander had a huge kingdom, i know gnehis khan conquered a very very large area of land. I know muslims had an ENORMOUS empire but this looks like news to me. So clear to elaborate? Specifics?

diadara 13y ago
Depends on how do you define a Hindu kingdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hindu_distribution.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hindu_distribution.png
- xerophtye 13y ago
  I'd define it as places RULED by Hindus (preferably a single central monarch)
kops 13y ago
I have never heard of ancient Indian kingdoms going beyond present day afganistan[1]. This falls quite a bit short of Egypt. On the eastern side though, Indonesia seems to have had Hindu kings[2]. I do recollect reading somewhere that at some point of time Indonesia was controlled from Kalinga but can't seem to find a reference any more. I don't think that the whole area from Afganistan till Indonesia was ever under a single king at any point of time. But I am not much of a historian so wouldn't really bet on any of this stuff. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia
- xerophtye 13y ago
  I suppose hinduism could spread that far. I mean consider this, Buddhism actually originates from India. Buddha was a Hindu Prince! And yet its all over the far east (and ironically not much in India). So i suppose Hinduism could spread that far too. (Well Islam and Christianity sure spread a lot!) Btw, I think you are right about the whole area not being in Hindu control at one point in time. The largest Indian kngdom i remember was of Ashoka, and even that din't completely cover all of modern day India+Pakistan (he gave up war right before conquering the south-most tip because he converted to Budhism). I think Muslims actually ruled all of the south-asian subcontinent at one time. The Mughals
  - nutanc 13y ago
    No they didnt. The were not able to cover Tamil Nadu, Kerala and the southern parts of Andhra Pradesh.
  - monsterix 13y ago
    On the western edge, I found some context about various books and papers linking up Hindu migrations into the Horn of Africa, particularly Egypt. Most of what I read about this was offline, so unable to provide additional dope in here. Here is a write up listing some studies and names of books to consider: http://amlanroychowdhury.webs.com/antiquityofegypt.htm http://amlanroychowdhury.webs.com/antiquityofegypt.htm For far eastern links, read about inter-marriages and relationships for a period of over two millennium between Ayodhya(India) and Seoul (South Korea) [1]. A search on the Kim clan and Princess Heo Hwang-ok and the spread of Buddhist/Hindu culture right up to Japanese coastline can be inferred. This is kind of the spread of Hinduism in South East Asia [2] before convertists of other religions (like Muslims or Christianity) emanated. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Southeast_Asia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Southeast_Asia
minusSeven 13y ago
the biggest hindu temple(actually the largest religious monument in the world) is well outside India in Cambodia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat Also try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Indonesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Indonesia Indian rulers did not have much intentions of ruling outside India but in the ancient world presence of Hinduism had spread to Egypt to Indonesia and even China,Japan. Even though it was not that much successful as Buddhism or Jainism.
monsterix 13y ago
Wait, yes. Dude, Alexander and Genghis Khan are like they happened only yesterday. Hindusim is much older than all of that, and I don't mean only in terms of religion. The culture itself is very old, so to speak. God this is going to be a long comment. I don't know how immersed you are w.r.t Hinduism, which gave birth to, no rather off-shooted other religions like Buddhism & Jainism. Here I can only give a very top-level view to help you make an entry: There are two epics of the Hindus: The Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Read both, they're brilliant classics. These two epics are stories about rise and fall of political power, affairs, conceit and ensuing wars between leaders of different Hindu kingdoms. Let's say kingdoms of an aggregate land mass we now call India, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan that stretches up to far, far east to places like Cambodia. I could not confirm how far in the west did Hinduism spread out but will do so given that I am excited about it now. Both epics are mythology by today's standards, but the stories in each are what Hindus vehemently believe as true. All (not most) of warring cities in both these epics exist inside and outside of India (or sunk under the ocean [1]) even today. I mean literally. On axis of time, both these two epics are separated from each other by two 'Yugas' [2]. We are living in the Kaliyug where kali == machines and yug == time-frame. Yugas are of varying length, first being Satayug about 1,728,000 million years. Man exists during this period as life forms from scratch in this universe. Alexander was like a fucking second ago when you're talking ages of this length. I suggest start with Yugas and you'll start seeing math, numbers, conclusions, geometric progressions and astronomy right in there. No need to accept anything is true or false, w.r.t written and confirmed history. But you'll love visiting places, and connecting it with the historical texts. It goes up the Bohr's model of atom (Paramaṇu), the theory of what nucleus and subatomic particles were about (hell yes!), the nuclear bomb (Brahma Asthra) and how these were used in warfare, negotiation and peace keeping. Several other concepts of what seems similar to magic of quantum physics, treatment of time-space curvature, extraterrestrial life, theory of relativity and additional dimensions of gravitational physics (though refuted by modern practitioners of course) all exist in discussions. May or may not be correct, but the level of thought can be appreciated. Astronomy, for example, scales to the level of predicting solar cycles, cycles of universe (311.04 trillion years?[3]), variable length of life of man/species, sub-sub-events like the ice age, age of the machines, age of only truth which you will find pretty fascinating to read, if not believable. Let me just throw in the starting point [2]: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarka [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrics_of_time_in_Hinduism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrics_of_time_in_Hinduism

diadara 13y ago

Depends on how do you define a Hindu kingdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hindu_distribution.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hindu_distribution.png

xerophtye 13y ago
I'd define it as places RULED by Hindus (preferably a single central monarch)

kops 13y ago

I have never heard of ancient Indian kingdoms going beyond present day afganistan[1]. This falls quite a bit short of Egypt. On the eastern side though, Indonesia seems to have had Hindu kings[2]. I do recollect reading somewhere that at some point of time Indonesia was controlled from Kalinga but can't seem to find a reference any more. I don't think that the whole area from Afganistan till Indonesia was ever under a single king at any point of time. But I am not much of a historian so wouldn't really bet on any of this stuff. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia

xerophtye 13y ago
I suppose hinduism could spread that far. I mean consider this, Buddhism actually originates from India. Buddha was a Hindu Prince! And yet its all over the far east (and ironically not much in India). So i suppose Hinduism could spread that far too. (Well Islam and Christianity sure spread a lot!) Btw, I think you are right about the whole area not being in Hindu control at one point in time. The largest Indian kngdom i remember was of Ashoka, and even that din't completely cover all of modern day India+Pakistan (he gave up war right before conquering the south-most tip because he converted to Budhism). I think Muslims actually ruled all of the south-asian subcontinent at one time. The Mughals
- nutanc 13y ago
  No they didnt. The were not able to cover Tamil Nadu, Kerala and the southern parts of Andhra Pradesh.
- monsterix 13y ago
  On the western edge, I found some context about various books and papers linking up Hindu migrations into the Horn of Africa, particularly Egypt. Most of what I read about this was offline, so unable to provide additional dope in here. Here is a write up listing some studies and names of books to consider: http://amlanroychowdhury.webs.com/antiquityofegypt.htm http://amlanroychowdhury.webs.com/antiquityofegypt.htm For far eastern links, read about inter-marriages and relationships for a period of over two millennium between Ayodhya(India) and Seoul (South Korea) [1]. A search on the Kim clan and Princess Heo Hwang-ok and the spread of Buddhist/Hindu culture right up to Japanese coastline can be inferred. This is kind of the spread of Hinduism in South East Asia [2] before convertists of other religions (like Muslims or Christianity) emanated. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Southeast_Asia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Southeast_Asia

minusSeven 13y ago

the biggest hindu temple(actually the largest religious monument in the world) is well outside India in Cambodia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat Also try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Indonesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Indonesia Indian rulers did not have much intentions of ruling outside India but in the ancient world presence of Hinduism had spread to Egypt to Indonesia and even China,Japan. Even though it was not that much successful as Buddhism or Jainism.

monsterix 13y ago

Wait, yes. Dude, Alexander and Genghis Khan are like they happened only yesterday. Hindusim is much older than all of that, and I don't mean only in terms of religion. The culture itself is very old, so to speak. God this is going to be a long comment. I don't know how immersed you are w.r.t Hinduism, which gave birth to, no rather off-shooted other religions like Buddhism & Jainism. Here I can only give a very top-level view to help you make an entry: There are two epics of the Hindus: The Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Read both, they're brilliant classics. These two epics are stories about rise and fall of political power, affairs, conceit and ensuing wars between leaders of different Hindu kingdoms. Let's say kingdoms of an aggregate land mass we now call India, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan that stretches up to far, far east to places like Cambodia. I could not confirm how far in the west did Hinduism spread out but will do so given that I am excited about it now. Both epics are mythology by today's standards, but the stories in each are what Hindus vehemently believe as true. All (not most) of warring cities in both these epics exist inside and outside of India (or sunk under the ocean [1]) even today. I mean literally. On axis of time, both these two epics are separated from each other by two 'Yugas' [2]. We are living in the Kaliyug where kali == machines and yug == time-frame. Yugas are of varying length, first being Satayug about 1,728,000 million years. Man exists during this period as life forms from scratch in this universe. Alexander was like a fucking second ago when you're talking ages of this length. I suggest start with Yugas and you'll start seeing math, numbers, conclusions, geometric progressions and astronomy right in there. No need to accept anything is true or false, w.r.t written and confirmed history. But you'll love visiting places, and connecting it with the historical texts. It goes up the Bohr's model of atom (Paramaṇu), the theory of what nucleus and subatomic particles were about (hell yes!), the nuclear bomb (Brahma Asthra) and how these were used in warfare, negotiation and peace keeping. Several other concepts of what seems similar to magic of quantum physics, treatment of time-space curvature, extraterrestrial life, theory of relativity and additional dimensions of gravitational physics (though refuted by modern practitioners of course) all exist in discussions. May or may not be correct, but the level of thought can be appreciated. Astronomy, for example, scales to the level of predicting solar cycles, cycles of universe (311.04 trillion years?[3]), variable length of life of man/species, sub-sub-events like the ice age, age of the machines, age of only truth which you will find pretty fascinating to read, if not believable. Let me just throw in the starting point [2]: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarka [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrics_of_time_in_Hinduism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrics_of_time_in_Hinduism