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> Lots of awful laws were "the law of the land" for much longer. I don't think it's as awful as you make it out to be. I think the situation before it was pas
by drone 13y ago
> Lots of awful laws were "the law of the land" for much longer.
I don't think it's as awful as you make it out to be. I think the situation before it was passed into law was far, far worse for the prosperity of individuals than it has ever been after. But, that's just, you know, my opinion.
> You implied irrationality among non-accredited investors, with your question, "how can you make a rational decision...?" Well, non-millionaires can be just as rational as millionaires, within these domains.
No, I didn't, as I assume you're familiar with securities law, I would presume that you could see that I was contrasting registered securities with required disclosures, and unregistered securities with little or no disclosure. Perhaps I should've phrased the question instead as "How can you make a good decision when the other party is intentionally hiding relevant information from you?"
> If compromise is required, I'd replace the means test with a means-oblivious competence-evaluation:
That sounds awfully complex to codify. Who gets to write the questions? What happens when the subject is not previously coded up into a test? Endless questions.
What this all really boils down, what I'm getting from this, is that you feel that you're smarter than the average bear, and you feel that the rules are holding you back from really succeeding, so let's make some rules that you'll pass. That's not intended as a personal insult, that's just how it comes across.
> If even more compromise to paternalism is required, private-security investments could be subject to a proportion-of-net-worth test. For example, perhaps only 1/2 to 1/3 of net-worth could be placed in such securities. Or, only an amount that's less that that already saved in tax-advantaged retirement accounts (IRAs/501ks/etc).
Actually, that makes a lot more sense than anything else you've come up with, and more akin to my reading of the reasoning behind the means test. It has nothing to do with any one individual, but instead to avoid massive culling of the fortunes of the middle class at once and causing social unrest. If its more difficult for the masses to invest primarily in high risk investments that more often fail than succeed, then they will likely invest in lower-risk, or at least more well codified risk, which is more likely to achieve a more stable economy and reduce the risk of public upheaval. We have a lot of history in the unregulated investment markets to draw from in painting a picture of the potential future. Your assumption that people have more information now, readily available to them about the quality of investments with little or no disclosure is one I'd call into question. People in the 'teens certainly felt they had a lot more information about the quality of investments with little or no disclosure than they did in the early 1800's.
But, we have a stark difference of opinion. I never felt that the accredited investor test was holding me back from succeeding and making good investments. In fact, I've never found a rule that was really holding me back from succeeding, but that's just me, I guess.
- gojomo 13y agoThe "same rules apply to rich and poor" approach isn't complex to codify: it's the simplest. Just don't grant special privileges to people based on their net-worth. Nor is a competence test complex: I already outlined a possible regime. Just reuse any college degree in a related field, or any existing related professional certification (CPA/Series7/Bar). More generally, simply saying that "whatever test applies to the rich, will also apply to the poor" will tend to work itself out. Regulators will figure out some protective test that the rich can tolerate, and that's good enough for the poor as well. People are wealthier and more educated than ever before. More information about others' experiences is available at little cost. More people have incremental experience with similar instruments (such as public companies). But most importantly, anyone who's stayed 'middle-class' has already resisted thousands of kinds of legal scams, some promoted by the government (like lotteries and home-ownership-at-all-costs) that could easily relieve them of all their money. "Massive culling of the fortunes of the middle class at once and causing social unrest" is a paranoid, fancifully unrealistic scenario. Some people would dabble in private-investing like they have with many other financially risky activities, and over time they'd either receive positive reinforcement for sustainable actions, or negative reinforcement for recklessness. Investing in the same sorts of deals as millionaires is not an unprecedented and magically addictive activity that the poor can't resist.