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What methods do you recommend?

by psbp 13y ago

throwaway0094 13y ago
From his Nictotine article, gum or patch. But e-cig might be fine too if the parts don't have lead or other hazardous substances in them, modulo maybe higher risk of addiction.
- psbp 13y ago
  Patches and gum are really expensive.
  - throwaway0094 13y ago
    Compared to e-cigs, sure. Compared to food, or conventional cigarettes ... they're really really cheap. 96 x2mg gums for $22 comes out to 45¢/mg. I use maybe 0-2 (edit: gums (90¢-$1.80)) a day (I probably save at least that much by making sandwiches for lunch / not eating out -- I work from home).
refurb 13y ago
Use an electronic cigarette (vaporizer) or use the OTC nicotine replacement therapies (gum, lozenges, sprays).
- psbp 13y ago
  Any good ones? I researched a year or so ago and all the brands seemed a little bit..sketchy.
  - tlarkworthy 13y ago
    eGo-T is amazingly close to actual smoking. Get a tank upgrade like the Vivi-Nova and boom, you get a hit so strong you might cough at first.
    - throwaway0094 13y ago
      For non-smokers, less is more... nicotine is a pretty powerful stimulant, you don't necessarily want strong hits. My 2¢. (I am a non-smoker; have tried 2mg and 4mg gum, and find 4mg similar in some ways to having a 'bad trip'. (Light-headedness, freaking out, nausea, time-dilation.))
      - jrockway 13y ago
        I also gave lozenges a try after reading an article here, and found 2mg to be too much, at first. You get used to it, though.
      - tlarkworthy 13y ago
        true, as a smoker trying to ween myself to something a bit safer that lack of hit is what annoyed me with other e-cig solutions I tried. The nova tank though is a very tolerable substitute to actual smoking. If I was a non-smoker though I would not start a nicotine habit at all. I wish I had never started smoking, it's a very difficult habit to reverse.
        throwaway0094 13y ago
        Anecdotal, but as a non-smoker, I don't find any withdrawal or cravings symptoms at all when I stop consuming nicotine. It's milder than stopping caffeine.
  - woah 13y ago
    I have an EVO-D battery with a vivi nova atomizer tank. This works pretty well for me. You can switch out the vaporizer coils to make sure you get a nice fresh one, and the replacement coils are really cheap. You're going to want 2 batteries so that you can charge one while using the other. They charge with USB.
  - sehr 13y ago
    Running an Ego C Twist + Vivi Nova right now. Two batteries, a charger, and the vivi nova came about to about $40. Plus some juice, ended up at about $60 ( I got a lot of juice though). /r/electronic_cigarettes has a pretty good FAQ on these types of things, ignore their ridiculous $200 setups though, a bit overkill IMO.
- lolwutf 13y ago
  Over the long run, oral nicotine delivery is thought to increase chances of oral cancers. Best to stick to patches.
  - refurb 13y ago
    Do you have sources? I'd be interested to see the data.
    - lolwutf 13y ago
      It's been years since I did this research and can't find my listing of sources. After a quick deep dive on the topic, I found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18852035 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18852035 In short, cells from oral tissues experienced relatively more DNA damage. In absolute terms, it's not much, but reason enough to default to patches, versus oral routes, IMO. Also, oral nicotine causes all kinds of gingival recession. This is pretty widely known (halfway decent source for this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2388141 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2388141).
  - psbp 13y ago
    What patches can you use that are fairly low dose and not a 24 hour time release?
    - lolwutf 13y ago
      Despite oft printed warnings to the otherwise, you can just cut up the patches to customize the dose. Duration of release? I believe you should leave it on 24/7. IIRC, it's not that nicotine improves sleep quality, but rather that nicotine withdrawal impairs sleep quality rather profoundly, and as such keeping the patch on at night allows for better sleep. I could be wrong here, though. Been a while since I've researched this.
pessimizer 13y ago
Not the parent, but Swedish snus is a great option.
- pessimizer 13y ago
  I'm curious to know who hates snus enough to downvote me:) But snus is fantastic, well-studied and well-regulated, has objectively contributed to a large reduction of cancer rates in Sweden, and is cheap and easily importable. Smoked for 18 years, snused for 2, and tobacco free for 2. edit, for good measure: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=swedish+snus http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=swedish+snus ----- Oral use of Swedish moist snuff (snus) and risk for cancer of the mouth, lung, and pancreas in male construction workers: a retrospective cohort study http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)60678-3/fulltext http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... Is Swedish snus associated with smoking initiation or smoking cessation? http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/14/6/422.short http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/14/6/422.short Swedish Match Company, Swedish snus and public health: a harm reduction experiment in progress? http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/10/3/253.short http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/10/3/253.short Steady-State Nicotine Plasma Levels Following Use of Four Different Types of Swedish Snus Compared with 2-Mg Nicorette Chewing Gum: A Crossover Study http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/3/397.short http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/3/397.short Should the Health Community Promote Smokeless Tobacco (Snus) as a Harm Reduction Measure? http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0040185 http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fj... A long-term follow-up study on the natural course of snus-induced lesions among Swedish snus users http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21841/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21841/full ----- Those were all on the first page of the search. Between snus and an imported unregulated mystery liquid that comes out of a bottle with a skull on it, or super expensive and annoying patches and gums, snus is really a gift to smokers.
- fiblye 13y ago
  Didn't downvote, but someone else probably did because the person you were responding to was looking for non-tobacco alternatives.

What methods do you recommend?

by psbp 13y ago

What methods do you recommend?

From his Nictotine article, gum or patch. But e-cig might be fine too if the parts don't have lead or other hazardous substances in them, modulo maybe higher risk of addiction.

psbp 13y ago
Patches and gum are really expensive.
- throwaway0094 13y ago
  Compared to e-cigs, sure. Compared to food, or conventional cigarettes ... they're really really cheap. 96 x2mg gums for $22 comes out to 45¢/mg. I use maybe 0-2 (edit: gums (90¢-$1.80)) a day (I probably save at least that much by making sandwiches for lunch / not eating out -- I work from home).

refurb 13y ago

Use an electronic cigarette (vaporizer) or use the OTC nicotine replacement therapies (gum, lozenges, sprays).

psbp 13y ago
Any good ones? I researched a year or so ago and all the brands seemed a little bit..sketchy.
- tlarkworthy 13y ago
  eGo-T is amazingly close to actual smoking. Get a tank upgrade like the Vivi-Nova and boom, you get a hit so strong you might cough at first.
  - throwaway0094 13y ago
    For non-smokers, less is more... nicotine is a pretty powerful stimulant, you don't necessarily want strong hits. My 2¢. (I am a non-smoker; have tried 2mg and 4mg gum, and find 4mg similar in some ways to having a 'bad trip'. (Light-headedness, freaking out, nausea, time-dilation.))
    - jrockway 13y ago
      I also gave lozenges a try after reading an article here, and found 2mg to be too much, at first. You get used to it, though.
    - tlarkworthy 13y ago
      true, as a smoker trying to ween myself to something a bit safer that lack of hit is what annoyed me with other e-cig solutions I tried. The nova tank though is a very tolerable substitute to actual smoking. If I was a non-smoker though I would not start a nicotine habit at all. I wish I had never started smoking, it's a very difficult habit to reverse.
      - throwaway0094 13y ago
        Anecdotal, but as a non-smoker, I don't find any withdrawal or cravings symptoms at all when I stop consuming nicotine. It's milder than stopping caffeine.
- woah 13y ago
  I have an EVO-D battery with a vivi nova atomizer tank. This works pretty well for me. You can switch out the vaporizer coils to make sure you get a nice fresh one, and the replacement coils are really cheap. You're going to want 2 batteries so that you can charge one while using the other. They charge with USB.
- sehr 13y ago
  Running an Ego C Twist + Vivi Nova right now. Two batteries, a charger, and the vivi nova came about to about $40. Plus some juice, ended up at about $60 ( I got a lot of juice though). /r/electronic_cigarettes has a pretty good FAQ on these types of things, ignore their ridiculous $200 setups though, a bit overkill IMO.
lolwutf 13y ago
Over the long run, oral nicotine delivery is thought to increase chances of oral cancers. Best to stick to patches.
- refurb 13y ago
  Do you have sources? I'd be interested to see the data.
  - lolwutf 13y ago
    It's been years since I did this research and can't find my listing of sources. After a quick deep dive on the topic, I found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18852035 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18852035 In short, cells from oral tissues experienced relatively more DNA damage. In absolute terms, it's not much, but reason enough to default to patches, versus oral routes, IMO. Also, oral nicotine causes all kinds of gingival recession. This is pretty widely known (halfway decent source for this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2388141 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2388141).
- psbp 13y ago
  What patches can you use that are fairly low dose and not a 24 hour time release?
  - lolwutf 13y ago
    Despite oft printed warnings to the otherwise, you can just cut up the patches to customize the dose. Duration of release? I believe you should leave it on 24/7. IIRC, it's not that nicotine improves sleep quality, but rather that nicotine withdrawal impairs sleep quality rather profoundly, and as such keeping the patch on at night allows for better sleep. I could be wrong here, though. Been a while since I've researched this.

pessimizer 13y ago

Not the parent, but Swedish snus is a great option.

pessimizer 13y ago
I'm curious to know who hates snus enough to downvote me:) But snus is fantastic, well-studied and well-regulated, has objectively contributed to a large reduction of cancer rates in Sweden, and is cheap and easily importable. Smoked for 18 years, snused for 2, and tobacco free for 2. edit, for good measure: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=swedish+snus http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=swedish+snus ----- Oral use of Swedish moist snuff (snus) and risk for cancer of the mouth, lung, and pancreas in male construction workers: a retrospective cohort study http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)60678-3/fulltext http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... Is Swedish snus associated with smoking initiation or smoking cessation? http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/14/6/422.short http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/14/6/422.short Swedish Match Company, Swedish snus and public health: a harm reduction experiment in progress? http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/10/3/253.short http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/10/3/253.short Steady-State Nicotine Plasma Levels Following Use of Four Different Types of Swedish Snus Compared with 2-Mg Nicorette Chewing Gum: A Crossover Study http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/3/397.short http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/3/397.short Should the Health Community Promote Smokeless Tobacco (Snus) as a Harm Reduction Measure? http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0040185 http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fj... A long-term follow-up study on the natural course of snus-induced lesions among Swedish snus users http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21841/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21841/full ----- Those were all on the first page of the search. Between snus and an imported unregulated mystery liquid that comes out of a bottle with a skull on it, or super expensive and annoying patches and gums, snus is really a gift to smokers.
fiblye 13y ago
Didn't downvote, but someone else probably did because the person you were responding to was looking for non-tobacco alternatives.