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Re the dress example: true, but it's a broadly understood sigil for victim-blaming, which is the issue under discussion, not which specific excuse a notional ra

by rosser 13y ago

Re the dress example: true, but it's a broadly understood sigil for victim-blaming, which is the issue under discussion, not which specific excuse a notional rapist might use. And yeah, moral righteousness doesn't undo trauma, but that's, again, completely orthogonal to victim-blaming. Net, your comment seems like a bunch of "technically correct is the best correct" and not much else.

rayiner 13y ago
> Re the dress example: true, but it's a broadly understood sigil for victim-blaming You're missing the essential significance of the dress example. It's broadly understood to be a sigil for victim-blaming precisely because it's totally disconnected from the actual nature of rape and won't actually reduce your risk of rape. Therefore, it's presumed to be pretext. But that doesn't mean that every advice to exercise caution is pretext for victim-blaming. > And yeah, moral righteousness doesn't undo trauma, but that's, again, completely orthogonal to victim-blaming. You're the one who brought up victim-blaming, in response to post that simply gave cautionary advice. Telling someone to exercise caution, because being right doesn't undo the trauma of victimization, is also orthogonal to victim-blaming. Let's recap: "You deserve to be victimized because you took that photo/used a weak password/gave out your SSN over e-mail" is victim-blaming. "Be careful who you give nude photos to/use a strong password/don't give out your SSN over e-mail" is cautionary advice that is orthogonal to victim-blaming. More to the point, saying that the world should be a certain way does not make it that way. You should be able to drive on New Years Eve without being victimized by a drunk driver. But the world is not that way and it's prudent to exercise extra caution on holidays because there are more drunk drivers on the road. You should be able to walk down the streets of Wilmington, DE without being mugged. But the world is not that way and I still drive my wife home from work each night. You should be able to trust people with private information. But the world is not that way and it's prudent to keep anything that could be used against you close to your vest. Being morally in the right does not erase the trauma of victimization, and giving advice that might reduce the chance of victimization is not automatically pretext for victim-blaming.

by rosser 13y ago

rayiner 13y ago

> Re the dress example: true, but it's a broadly understood sigil for victim-blaming You're missing the essential significance of the dress example. It's broadly understood to be a sigil for victim-blaming precisely because it's totally disconnected from the actual nature of rape and won't actually reduce your risk of rape. Therefore, it's presumed to be pretext. But that doesn't mean that every advice to exercise caution is pretext for victim-blaming. > And yeah, moral righteousness doesn't undo trauma, but that's, again, completely orthogonal to victim-blaming. You're the one who brought up victim-blaming, in response to post that simply gave cautionary advice. Telling someone to exercise caution, because being right doesn't undo the trauma of victimization, is also orthogonal to victim-blaming. Let's recap: "You deserve to be victimized because you took that photo/used a weak password/gave out your SSN over e-mail" is victim-blaming. "Be careful who you give nude photos to/use a strong password/don't give out your SSN over e-mail" is cautionary advice that is orthogonal to victim-blaming. More to the point, saying that the world should be a certain way does not make it that way. You should be able to drive on New Years Eve without being victimized by a drunk driver. But the world is not that way and it's prudent to exercise extra caution on holidays because there are more drunk drivers on the road. You should be able to walk down the streets of Wilmington, DE without being mugged. But the world is not that way and I still drive my wife home from work each night. You should be able to trust people with private information. But the world is not that way and it's prudent to keep anything that could be used against you close to your vest. Being morally in the right does not erase the trauma of victimization, and giving advice that might reduce the chance of victimization is not automatically pretext for victim-blaming.