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It is not journalism to hack people's computers, steal their stuff and pit it online.

ianhawes 13y ago
But in most cases, nobody was "hacked" at all. The photos were distributed, without limitation, to 1 or more people by the actual subject of the photos.
- rblatz 13y ago
  I read an article a week or two ago about a mother that was a former private investigator researching the owner of one of these sites. She claimed that a lot of the women featured on the site had their info gathered by someone hacking their gmail account. I'll search for a link when I'm not at work. Don't really want revenge porn showing up in my search history here.
  - byerley 13y ago
    When has the media ever had a good handle on what "hacking" means and how prevalent it is? Why would someone with the ability to "hack" a large number of gmail accounts choose nude photos to make their money with? I can't imagine the payoff is comparatively good and large-scale blackmail is a pretty good way to get targeted for prosecution. Further, aren't these pictures in their email because they were sent to someone? How would the average person distinguish between their account being "hacked" for the purpose of retrieving the picture opposed to the receiver sharing it? It sounds more like the instinctual "my account was hacked!" response to something embarrassing.
    - tedunangst 13y ago
      What, you don't email yourself a copy of all your nude selfies for safe keeping? I thought everybody did that. edit to add: wow. From the xojane link it appears that's actually exactly what everybody does. I'm at a loss for words.
      - sliverstorm 13y ago
        To many people, email is how they move files about.
        tedunangst 13y ago
        Yeah, I know. Done it myself. I was mentally filtering nude selfies out of the set of files I would want to move about. I draw a distinction between "here's a sweet recipe for chicken alfredo, better save this for later" and "here's a picture of me naked, better make a copy in case I need this later", but I guess others don't.
- rcthompson 13y ago
  That's not true. There was an article that recently crossed the front page of HN by a victim of one of these sites, and her research revealed that a large fraction (possibly over half, I don't remember) of victims gas their photos obtained by hacking, not by a vengeful ex who already had legal access to the photos.
- ZoFreX 13y ago
  40% hacked, 36% revenge porn, 12% photoshopped, 12% self-submits.[1] [1] http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/charlotte-laws-hunter-moore-erin-brockovich-revenge-porn http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/charlotte-laws-hunte...
  - byerley 13y ago
    I cringed when I saw "informal survey," but this seems to be in the important bit - "In most cases, the scam began through Facebook and ended when “Gary Jones” gained access to the victim’s email account." Unfortunately it doesn't make a lot of sense without context that I can't fine in the article. Was it phishing?
    - ZoFreX 13y ago
      Sadly it's not very clear, and it wasn't a random representative sampling, but it's the closest thing we have to any actual figures right now (AFAIK)
yummyfajitas 13y ago
You mean like the Guardian did after Snowden stole peoples stuff and released it? Or like wikileaks/etc? Or assorted other newspapers releasing illegally acquired information?
- tptacek 13y ago
  These are bad examples, because the legality of publishing Snowden and Manning's documents was in fact legally tenuous, and so far the publishers of the documents are protected largely by the enormous public welfare implications of the documents themselves. Especially in Snowden's case, that could change. Wait 6 months and see if the Snowden trove results in operationally relevant serious foreign intelligence disclosures that don't implicate the rights of US citizens, and then we'll see how much "journalism" really is a free pass to publishing "anything".
- deleted 13y ago
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- freyrs3 13y ago
  Nation states are not people.
- detcader 13y ago
  When did The Guardian, WikiLeaks, NYT etc hack or steal anything? This is new to me
jasonlotito 13y ago
> hack people's computers, steal their stuff and pit it online. All 3 of those things were already illegal, and had legal remedies.

But in most cases, nobody was "hacked" at all. The photos were distributed, without limitation, to 1 or more people by the actual subject of the photos.

rblatz 13y ago
I read an article a week or two ago about a mother that was a former private investigator researching the owner of one of these sites. She claimed that a lot of the women featured on the site had their info gathered by someone hacking their gmail account. I'll search for a link when I'm not at work. Don't really want revenge porn showing up in my search history here.
- byerley 13y ago
  When has the media ever had a good handle on what "hacking" means and how prevalent it is? Why would someone with the ability to "hack" a large number of gmail accounts choose nude photos to make their money with? I can't imagine the payoff is comparatively good and large-scale blackmail is a pretty good way to get targeted for prosecution. Further, aren't these pictures in their email because they were sent to someone? How would the average person distinguish between their account being "hacked" for the purpose of retrieving the picture opposed to the receiver sharing it? It sounds more like the instinctual "my account was hacked!" response to something embarrassing.
  - tedunangst 13y ago
    What, you don't email yourself a copy of all your nude selfies for safe keeping? I thought everybody did that. edit to add: wow. From the xojane link it appears that's actually exactly what everybody does. I'm at a loss for words.
    - sliverstorm 13y ago
      To many people, email is how they move files about.
      - tedunangst 13y ago
        Yeah, I know. Done it myself. I was mentally filtering nude selfies out of the set of files I would want to move about. I draw a distinction between "here's a sweet recipe for chicken alfredo, better save this for later" and "here's a picture of me naked, better make a copy in case I need this later", but I guess others don't.
rcthompson 13y ago
That's not true. There was an article that recently crossed the front page of HN by a victim of one of these sites, and her research revealed that a large fraction (possibly over half, I don't remember) of victims gas their photos obtained by hacking, not by a vengeful ex who already had legal access to the photos.
ZoFreX 13y ago
40% hacked, 36% revenge porn, 12% photoshopped, 12% self-submits.[1] [1] http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/charlotte-laws-hunter-moore-erin-brockovich-revenge-porn http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/charlotte-laws-hunte...
- byerley 13y ago
  I cringed when I saw "informal survey," but this seems to be in the important bit - "In most cases, the scam began through Facebook and ended when “Gary Jones” gained access to the victim’s email account." Unfortunately it doesn't make a lot of sense without context that I can't fine in the article. Was it phishing?
  - ZoFreX 13y ago
    Sadly it's not very clear, and it wasn't a random representative sampling, but it's the closest thing we have to any actual figures right now (AFAIK)

yummyfajitas 13y ago

You mean like the Guardian did after Snowden stole peoples stuff and released it? Or like wikileaks/etc? Or assorted other newspapers releasing illegally acquired information?

tptacek 13y ago
These are bad examples, because the legality of publishing Snowden and Manning's documents was in fact legally tenuous, and so far the publishers of the documents are protected largely by the enormous public welfare implications of the documents themselves. Especially in Snowden's case, that could change. Wait 6 months and see if the Snowden trove results in operationally relevant serious foreign intelligence disclosures that don't implicate the rights of US citizens, and then we'll see how much "journalism" really is a free pass to publishing "anything".
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freyrs3 13y ago
Nation states are not people.
detcader 13y ago
When did The Guardian, WikiLeaks, NYT etc hack or steal anything? This is new to me

jasonlotito 13y ago

> hack people's computers, steal their stuff and pit it online. All 3 of those things were already illegal, and had legal remedies.