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I take it you have never been to SF. I have no problem helping any child, no matter the circumstances, and there are a lot of homeless with mental illness, but

I take it you have never been to SF. I have no problem helping any child, no matter the circumstances, and there are a lot of homeless with mental illness, but there is also a large cadre of professional vagabonds. Guiliani should run for mayor of SF.

dangrover 13y ago
This times a thousand. There ought to be some basic ground rules that are enforced in public spaces, even if it takes horrible Guiliani-style police state tactics. Whether you're homeless or a well-off tech dweeb, you shouldn't be allowed to poop on the street, run around screaming at people, obstruct traffic, openly deal drugs or stolen goods. If you're doing any of these things, you should be instantly and forcefully removed, regardless of your circumstances. You can be pro-civility without being anti-homeless.
- bonemachine 13y ago
  Whether you're homeless or a well-off tech dweeb, you shouldn't be allowed to poop on the street, run around screaming at people, obstruct traffic, openly deal drugs or stolen goods. None of which requires police-state tactics to bring into check. But the fact that so many people from well-to-do half of the city seem ready to clamour for such tactics says, well, lots of things.
- vellum 13y ago
  "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under the bridge, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
  - dangrover 13y ago
    The sleeping outside (and the actual homelessness) is a separate and unfortunate problem that needs to be solved. Fixing the broken shelter system would be a start. Many of the people exhibiting the behavior I described may, in fact, have homes! Aside from that, if we're supposed to condone people in our public places making them unsafe and unsanitary, what's the point of having them/paying for them at all?
headShrinker 13y ago
I have spent a lot of time in SF, and live in NY. > Guiliani should run for mayor of SF You don't mean this because you don't know what it means to have the police force we have here. Also, we have street people too. So it turns out, 'your problems' doesn't just magically disappear when you get different mayor in office.
bonemachine 13y ago
His name is "Giulani." Reasonably good character acting skills at certain moments (like after the 9/11 attacks) but outside of that, a notorious windbag and cronyist. That some in the tech aristocracy in SF might consider him a viable candidate wouldn't surprise me in the least. And if you can enough people to join you at the polls, well, you more than deserve to have him.

dangrover 13y ago

This times a thousand. There ought to be some basic ground rules that are enforced in public spaces, even if it takes horrible Guiliani-style police state tactics. Whether you're homeless or a well-off tech dweeb, you shouldn't be allowed to poop on the street, run around screaming at people, obstruct traffic, openly deal drugs or stolen goods. If you're doing any of these things, you should be instantly and forcefully removed, regardless of your circumstances. You can be pro-civility without being anti-homeless.

bonemachine 13y ago
Whether you're homeless or a well-off tech dweeb, you shouldn't be allowed to poop on the street, run around screaming at people, obstruct traffic, openly deal drugs or stolen goods. None of which requires police-state tactics to bring into check. But the fact that so many people from well-to-do half of the city seem ready to clamour for such tactics says, well, lots of things.
vellum 13y ago
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under the bridge, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
- dangrover 13y ago
  The sleeping outside (and the actual homelessness) is a separate and unfortunate problem that needs to be solved. Fixing the broken shelter system would be a start. Many of the people exhibiting the behavior I described may, in fact, have homes! Aside from that, if we're supposed to condone people in our public places making them unsafe and unsanitary, what's the point of having them/paying for them at all?

headShrinker 13y ago

I have spent a lot of time in SF, and live in NY. > Guiliani should run for mayor of SF You don't mean this because you don't know what it means to have the police force we have here. Also, we have street people too. So it turns out, 'your problems' doesn't just magically disappear when you get different mayor in office.

bonemachine 13y ago

His name is "Giulani." Reasonably good character acting skills at certain moments (like after the 9/11 attacks) but outside of that, a notorious windbag and cronyist. That some in the tech aristocracy in SF might consider him a viable candidate wouldn't surprise me in the least. And if you can enough people to join you at the polls, well, you more than deserve to have him.