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Even better, once they've learned one, see how they perform relative to one another at learning one or more of the other languages. See if there is a language

by azanar 17y ago

Even better, once they've learned one, see how they perform relative to one another at learning one or more of the other languages. See if there is a language that is further upstream than the rest, and also see if there is a language that is such a paradigm shift from the rest, and perhaps even from typical human-thought patterns, that many people from every group struggle to learn it. For those who don't, see if you can discover what is different about how they reason their way through programming. Or perhaps find the language that everyone just gets once they've been exposed to one or more other languages. See if it really is the easiest, and more sparsely featured of the bunch, or if it just does a remarkably good job of unifying the concepts from all the others. Just a couple of thoughts as I read your comment. :-)

caffeine 17y ago
such a paradigm shift from the rest, and perhaps even from typical human-thought patterns For me, this is Haskell. Trying to write any decently large program (say, a Super Mario clone) causes brain hemorrhage. I've also met people who learned Haskell as a first programming language (common in UK unis). A lot of them wind up being crappy C++/Java/Python programmers, because they keep waving their arms and expecting magic to happen like it does in Haskell. Indeed, I learned Python and Haskell simultaneously during a seriously nerdy week (the gf. was away :) and my Python codes came out with a bloody lambda on every other line! Then I realized I was trying to re-implement laziness, but obviously Python lambdas are not lazy at all (that's right - stuff gets evaluated when you define the lambda).
- eru 17y ago
  > For me, this is Haskell. Trying to write any decently large program (say, a Super Mario clone) causes brain hemorrhage. Programming mostly in Haskell, I could say the same (brain hemorrhage) about imperative programming languages. There are just so damn (unnecessarily) hard to program in.

by azanar 17y ago

caffeine 17y ago

such a paradigm shift from the rest, and perhaps even from typical human-thought patterns For me, this is Haskell. Trying to write any decently large program (say, a Super Mario clone) causes brain hemorrhage. I've also met people who learned Haskell as a first programming language (common in UK unis). A lot of them wind up being crappy C++/Java/Python programmers, because they keep waving their arms and expecting magic to happen like it does in Haskell. Indeed, I learned Python and Haskell simultaneously during a seriously nerdy week (the gf. was away :) and my Python codes came out with a bloody lambda on every other line! Then I realized I was trying to re-implement laziness, but obviously Python lambdas are not lazy at all (that's right - stuff gets evaluated when you define the lambda).

eru 17y ago
> For me, this is Haskell. Trying to write any decently large program (say, a Super Mario clone) causes brain hemorrhage. Programming mostly in Haskell, I could say the same (brain hemorrhage) about imperative programming languages. There are just so damn (unnecessarily) hard to program in.