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I understand the sentiment, but lets not get away from ourselves here, there is a huge difference between acquiring skills through physical activities and inges

I understand the sentiment, but lets not get away from ourselves here, there is a huge difference between acquiring skills through physical activities and ingesting chemicals for a short period of bliss.

widdershins 13y ago
Not in terms of risk there isn't, at least in this case.
Nursie 13y ago
No, no there's not. Both are leisure activities some people choose to indulge in, and they have similar risk profiles. I'm not sure what you mean by 'getting away from ourselves', but considering one worthy and the other not is purely subjective and I would say prejudicial.
throwaway_yy2Di 13y ago
Horse riding is a leisure activity. Any "skill" involved is objectively useless and unproductive. (Disclaimer: I've used horses recreationally. No, I did not inhale. I do not recommend inhaling. They smell bad.)
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diydsp 13y ago
The "difference" is in your values, not in the responsibility of governments. You value acquiring physical intelligence. You do not value spiritual exploration. FWIW, MDMA is not "bliss" and it's not "short." It's longer than your average horse-ride, and it's much more complicated than simple bliss (as I've read in numerous reports on erowid.org) It is the government's responsibility to protect us through sharing appropriate information [1], not to ruin our lives through imprisonment when we undertake solo activities with no risk to others. BTW, I'm not even an MDMA enthusiast. I just don't feel like it, too busy, but for those who want to, I just want them to be safe, have their stuff tested, etc. [1] So, why are articles like "Death rates from ecstasy (MDMA, MDA) and polydrug use in England and Wales 1996–2002" [2] only available through a paywall!! [2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14533133 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14533133
orasis 13y ago
Psychedelics are more effective at acquiring useful knowledge about reality and consciousness than horse-back riding.

widdershins 13y ago

Not in terms of risk there isn't, at least in this case.

Nursie 13y ago

No, no there's not. Both are leisure activities some people choose to indulge in, and they have similar risk profiles. I'm not sure what you mean by 'getting away from ourselves', but considering one worthy and the other not is purely subjective and I would say prejudicial.

throwaway_yy2Di 13y ago

Horse riding is a leisure activity. Any "skill" involved is objectively useless and unproductive. (Disclaimer: I've used horses recreationally. No, I did not inhale. I do not recommend inhaling. They smell bad.)

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diydsp 13y ago

The "difference" is in your values, not in the responsibility of governments. You value acquiring physical intelligence. You do not value spiritual exploration. FWIW, MDMA is not "bliss" and it's not "short." It's longer than your average horse-ride, and it's much more complicated than simple bliss (as I've read in numerous reports on erowid.org) It is the government's responsibility to protect us through sharing appropriate information [1], not to ruin our lives through imprisonment when we undertake solo activities with no risk to others. BTW, I'm not even an MDMA enthusiast. I just don't feel like it, too busy, but for those who want to, I just want them to be safe, have their stuff tested, etc. [1] So, why are articles like "Death rates from ecstasy (MDMA, MDA) and polydrug use in England and Wales 1996–2002" [2] only available through a paywall!! [2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14533133 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14533133

orasis 13y ago

Psychedelics are more effective at acquiring useful knowledge about reality and consciousness than horse-back riding.