Your experience is colored by the language / framework of your choice. For example, look at the fortunes benchmark in the techempower benchmarks. Rails makes a

Your experience is colored by the language / framework of your choice. For example, look at the fortunes benchmark in the techempower benchmarks. Rails makes a good showing for a dynamic language framework, but it's clear that an order of magnitude better performance is possible on the same server hardware with java or c#: http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r7&hw=i7&test=fortune http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r7&hw=i7... So, someone using java or c# could very well say view render times don't matter, because for them that is true and their bottleneck is indeed the database.