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Yeah may be, or you have too much dead brain cells.

by oakaz 13y ago

Crito 13y ago
I know I shouldn't feed clear trolls, but what exactly are you suggesting then? Because it sure as hell sounds like you are just interested in putting the warfare into "class warfare". Prohibition does not work. The war on drugs does not work. Throwing more money at it will not work.
- oakaz 13y ago
  Yeah, investing on occupying oil lands is more profitable, right? Don't even mention about class. If you had a piece of idea of social classes, you'd first support their life quality and realize that the drug industry is already a device of the system to knock them down. Plus, what I proposed was to war against drug cartels, not users. And you just keep that bullshit with the assumption of "drug war doesn't work" oh really? I know that hopeless face of the government, when it comes to stopping the crime, the eagle turns to a rabbit!
  - Crito 13y ago
    Prohibition feeds the cartels and gangs. If you want the criminal underworld to stop wreaking havoc on the lower classes, you need to take away their most profitable business, not cement their monopoly. It is just common sense that has been repeated ad nauseam throughout this thread, try reading what other people are saying. The War on Drugs has been massively unsuccessful. The history of it gives us absolutely no reason to think that throwing even more money at it will improve anything at all. Seriously, get real: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/29/the-most-embarrassing-graph-in-american-drug-policy/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/29/t... (And you are delusional if you think I support wars. What the hell are you even driving at there?)
    - oakaz 13y ago
      Those numbers are bullshit. The american view of drug industry, is more than bullshit. I see the streets. Go to 6th and Market now, or 16th and Mission, both streets have tents that sell hard drugs. Every night, there are a lot of things going on there. Who does even attempt to stop them? I lived in multiple countries, and the toleration I see here is just incredible. I saw those who sell and use heroins, and we (me and bunch of coworkers) just passed them. Just a regular day. I don't believe your numbers. Plus; I believe, this entire business is a way to keep the poor classes as poor. Go read about Hasan Sabbah.
      - ryanjshaw 13y ago
        I think there's an unstated idea with the person you're debating here that drug addiction is a medical/psychological issue that drug cartels profit from by taking advantage of people with a disposition towards substance abuse, not social or commercial problem. Do you now understand why you're getting nowhere in this debate? It's like trying to convince somebody that the solution to cancer is bringing in the army to defeat viruses. If you disagree with the fundamental assumption, you would do well to state that.
      - vidarh 13y ago
        "This entire business" only keeps people poor through the dual prongs of criminalisation keeping prices up and allowing people to be thrown in jail and thus making them far less employable. The drug on war is a combination of christian moralism and class warfare, pure and simple, just like prohibition was. Just like then, the moralists managed to convince a lot of people that it was to protect or save them, and just like then it proved to do far more damage than good.
- nate_meurer 13y ago
  Crito I think you actually are being trolled here. Don't waste your energy on this.
  - Crito 13y ago
    Yeah... that seems apparent now. I should avoid the internet more often on weeknights...
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Yeah may be, or you have too much dead brain cells.

by oakaz 13y ago

Yeah may be, or you have too much dead brain cells.

Crito 13y ago

I know I shouldn't feed clear trolls, but what exactly are you suggesting then? Because it sure as hell sounds like you are just interested in putting the warfare into "class warfare". Prohibition does not work. The war on drugs does not work. Throwing more money at it will not work.

oakaz 13y ago
Yeah, investing on occupying oil lands is more profitable, right? Don't even mention about class. If you had a piece of idea of social classes, you'd first support their life quality and realize that the drug industry is already a device of the system to knock them down. Plus, what I proposed was to war against drug cartels, not users. And you just keep that bullshit with the assumption of "drug war doesn't work" oh really? I know that hopeless face of the government, when it comes to stopping the crime, the eagle turns to a rabbit!
- Crito 13y ago
  Prohibition feeds the cartels and gangs. If you want the criminal underworld to stop wreaking havoc on the lower classes, you need to take away their most profitable business, not cement their monopoly. It is just common sense that has been repeated ad nauseam throughout this thread, try reading what other people are saying. The War on Drugs has been massively unsuccessful. The history of it gives us absolutely no reason to think that throwing even more money at it will improve anything at all. Seriously, get real: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/29/the-most-embarrassing-graph-in-american-drug-policy/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/29/t... (And you are delusional if you think I support wars. What the hell are you even driving at there?)
  - oakaz 13y ago
    Those numbers are bullshit. The american view of drug industry, is more than bullshit. I see the streets. Go to 6th and Market now, or 16th and Mission, both streets have tents that sell hard drugs. Every night, there are a lot of things going on there. Who does even attempt to stop them? I lived in multiple countries, and the toleration I see here is just incredible. I saw those who sell and use heroins, and we (me and bunch of coworkers) just passed them. Just a regular day. I don't believe your numbers. Plus; I believe, this entire business is a way to keep the poor classes as poor. Go read about Hasan Sabbah.
    - ryanjshaw 13y ago
      I think there's an unstated idea with the person you're debating here that drug addiction is a medical/psychological issue that drug cartels profit from by taking advantage of people with a disposition towards substance abuse, not social or commercial problem. Do you now understand why you're getting nowhere in this debate? It's like trying to convince somebody that the solution to cancer is bringing in the army to defeat viruses. If you disagree with the fundamental assumption, you would do well to state that.
    - vidarh 13y ago
      "This entire business" only keeps people poor through the dual prongs of criminalisation keeping prices up and allowing people to be thrown in jail and thus making them far less employable. The drug on war is a combination of christian moralism and class warfare, pure and simple, just like prohibition was. Just like then, the moralists managed to convince a lot of people that it was to protect or save them, and just like then it proved to do far more damage than good.
nate_meurer 13y ago
Crito I think you actually are being trolled here. Don't waste your energy on this.
- Crito 13y ago
  Yeah... that seems apparent now. I should avoid the internet more often on weeknights...

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