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Two observations: 1. There are far, far more differences between Midtown and Mabelton than urban planning (Midtown is a young, liberal, much higher than avera

Two observations: 1. There are far, far more differences between Midtown and Mabelton than urban planning (Midtown is a young, liberal, much higher than average percentage of gay residents, close proximity to Georgia Tech) and Mabelton is pretty much in the opposite direction in every way possible. It is an apples to oranges comparison. 2. A huge advantage of cul-de sacs is that people don't speed down them like they do on residential connective streets, which is a huge plus when you have children of a certain age.

ch4s3 13y ago
Re: 2. Narrower streets do the same thing for traffic speed. For an added bonus, tree lined streets slow traffic even more due to how nearby moving objects in your peripheral vision change your perception of how fast you're moving. So, you can get the desired effect of the cul-de-sac without the cul-de-sac.
- Stronico 13y ago
  I live on a narrow street, with lots of trees, and lots of street parking, which makes it one lane in many parts. And Speed humps. It seems to make the cautious drive slower, but the speeders don't seem to be affected that much.
  - ch4s3 13y ago
    mileage may vary. In all seriousness, you'll never stop some people, but good design of infrastructure does change behavior in many people.
    - Stronico 13y ago
      A valid point, but since it is a through street there are more speeders due to the higher total of cars on the road in general - It does not take that speeding cars to elicit fear. That was actually one of the first things I noticed after we brought the baby home - the speeding cars.
possibilistic 13y ago
Speaking as an Atlantan, you've nailed it. People living OTP (outside the perimeter of I-285) are largely conservative, whereas those ITP are much more liberal. You wouldn't imagine that such a finely delineated categorical segmentation would occur, but it's very visible. Take, for instance, the fighting between Fulton County and the metro/MSA: last year's SPLOST vote [1], the Braves Stadium move [2], etc. all serve to exemplify how polar these two populations are. Those in the city want regional tax money to improve transportation in and around the city, those outside the city want to be left alone (yet still be able to commute to the city); Atlantans bemoan urban sprawl, suburbanites loathe city spending. It's interesting to watch nothing get done. [1] http://southernspaces.org/sites/southernspaces.org/files/images/2013/001-ss-13-ehatfi_lg.jpg http://southernspaces.org/sites/southernspaces.org/files/ima... [2] http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-plan-to-build-new-stadium-in-cobb/nbpNQ/ http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-plan-to-build...
- libria 13y ago
  > the Braves Stadium move Wow, first I'd heard of it. I mean Turner Field is all of 16 years old; probably time for a new one. At least that should alleviate the summer downtown congestion, though I don't believe 285/75 really needs it. There's a section there that I thought I counted 9 lanes. Using City-of-Atlanta logic, I guess it's time for a 10th one, eh? More on topic, will Cobb now allow MARTA to extend up there now that a stadium is coming? (from article) > Reed concluded his statement by saying he is “excited” about potential future uses of “the land that is now Turner Field.” Really. Can't wait to see what he's planning, b/c damned if I'd ever call that section of town exciting.
  - runako 13y ago
    TL;DR They are going to tear down Turner Field and do a large infill development project. Turner Field sits on one of the larger contiguous single-owner plots in the city.
    - Stronico 13y ago
      I also heard rumors about horseracing - which would be great, but very unlikely. The area is unlikely to get any worse no matter what they do.
learc83 13y ago
He also took the example of young white males from Mableton and midtown. There aren't a lot of young white men living in Mableton. It's mostly younger black and hispanic people, and older white people. My parents are from Mableton,and I live about 10 minutes away.

ch4s3 13y ago

Re: 2. Narrower streets do the same thing for traffic speed. For an added bonus, tree lined streets slow traffic even more due to how nearby moving objects in your peripheral vision change your perception of how fast you're moving. So, you can get the desired effect of the cul-de-sac without the cul-de-sac.

Stronico 13y ago
I live on a narrow street, with lots of trees, and lots of street parking, which makes it one lane in many parts. And Speed humps. It seems to make the cautious drive slower, but the speeders don't seem to be affected that much.
- ch4s3 13y ago
  mileage may vary. In all seriousness, you'll never stop some people, but good design of infrastructure does change behavior in many people.
  - Stronico 13y ago
    A valid point, but since it is a through street there are more speeders due to the higher total of cars on the road in general - It does not take that speeding cars to elicit fear. That was actually one of the first things I noticed after we brought the baby home - the speeding cars.

possibilistic 13y ago

Speaking as an Atlantan, you've nailed it. People living OTP (outside the perimeter of I-285) are largely conservative, whereas those ITP are much more liberal. You wouldn't imagine that such a finely delineated categorical segmentation would occur, but it's very visible. Take, for instance, the fighting between Fulton County and the metro/MSA: last year's SPLOST vote [1], the Braves Stadium move [2], etc. all serve to exemplify how polar these two populations are. Those in the city want regional tax money to improve transportation in and around the city, those outside the city want to be left alone (yet still be able to commute to the city); Atlantans bemoan urban sprawl, suburbanites loathe city spending. It's interesting to watch nothing get done. [1] http://southernspaces.org/sites/southernspaces.org/files/images/2013/001-ss-13-ehatfi_lg.jpg http://southernspaces.org/sites/southernspaces.org/files/ima... [2] http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-plan-to-build-new-stadium-in-cobb/nbpNQ/ http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-plan-to-build...

libria 13y ago
> the Braves Stadium move Wow, first I'd heard of it. I mean Turner Field is all of 16 years old; probably time for a new one. At least that should alleviate the summer downtown congestion, though I don't believe 285/75 really needs it. There's a section there that I thought I counted 9 lanes. Using City-of-Atlanta logic, I guess it's time for a 10th one, eh? More on topic, will Cobb now allow MARTA to extend up there now that a stadium is coming? (from article) > Reed concluded his statement by saying he is “excited” about potential future uses of “the land that is now Turner Field.” Really. Can't wait to see what he's planning, b/c damned if I'd ever call that section of town exciting.
- runako 13y ago
  TL;DR They are going to tear down Turner Field and do a large infill development project. Turner Field sits on one of the larger contiguous single-owner plots in the city.
  - Stronico 13y ago
    I also heard rumors about horseracing - which would be great, but very unlikely. The area is unlikely to get any worse no matter what they do.

learc83 13y ago

He also took the example of young white males from Mableton and midtown. There aren't a lot of young white men living in Mableton. It's mostly younger black and hispanic people, and older white people. My parents are from Mableton,and I live about 10 minutes away.