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This almost sounds like they should take away his Nobel prize immediately. Abusing the spotlight to promote his own journal is just ridiculous. (Open access !=

by jvdh 13y ago

This almost sounds like they should take away his Nobel prize immediately. Abusing the spotlight to promote his own journal is just ridiculous. (Open access != free) Bonus points for getting the Nobel prize through publications in those journals, and only denouncing them after he won.

rflrob 13y ago
Better late than never, I say. Nor do I think he waited to win his Nobel to promote open access, as his editorship of an OA journal would attest to. It's also worth pointing out hat eLife is actually free to publish in, at least for the moment. The founding organizations (HHMI, the Wellcome Trust, and the Max Planck Institutes) are footing the bill for the first few years.
- epaladin 13y ago
  So, get a base established and then start charging $5000 per submission?
  - Crito 13y ago
    Try waiting until that actually happens before you get outraged over it. Getting yourself worked up over hypothetical situations that play out in your mind is not good for your health.
toufka 13y ago
"His" journal was established with an ideology in mind, not to enrich or empower Sheckman himself. He's promoting his journal because he's the only one around 'doing anything about it'. And I accept that kind of promotion. As another poster mentioned, this article doesn't mention 'open access' - but only in the last few years has a reputable 'open access' journal even been an option for biomedical researchers. And for that Sheckman and his journal is owed a fair amount. Science cannot be entirely free (as in beer). But the knowledge gleaned from it can and certainly should be free (as in speech). Currently, your choices are Cell Reports[1] or eLife[2]. [1] http://www.elifesciences.org/ http://www.elifesciences.org/ [2] http://cellreports.cell.com/ http://cellreports.cell.com/
Crito 13y ago
Nobel Prizes do not get revoked just because you don't like some of the things a winner has said. In fact, they don't get revoked period. Even Luc Montagnier hasn't had his Nobel Prize revoked, and he's published loony stuff, not merely said mean things about some publishers.
chmike 13y ago
Apparently publishing in this journal is free (no fee required) and articles are accessible on the web for free. So to me it's free as in free bear. However there seam to be also a severe review process. So eLife is not as open as Reddit or HackerNews. ;)

by jvdh 13y ago

rflrob 13y ago

Better late than never, I say. Nor do I think he waited to win his Nobel to promote open access, as his editorship of an OA journal would attest to. It's also worth pointing out hat eLife is actually free to publish in, at least for the moment. The founding organizations (HHMI, the Wellcome Trust, and the Max Planck Institutes) are footing the bill for the first few years.

epaladin 13y ago
So, get a base established and then start charging $5000 per submission?
- Crito 13y ago
  Try waiting until that actually happens before you get outraged over it. Getting yourself worked up over hypothetical situations that play out in your mind is not good for your health.

toufka 13y ago

"His" journal was established with an ideology in mind, not to enrich or empower Sheckman himself. He's promoting his journal because he's the only one around 'doing anything about it'. And I accept that kind of promotion. As another poster mentioned, this article doesn't mention 'open access' - but only in the last few years has a reputable 'open access' journal even been an option for biomedical researchers. And for that Sheckman and his journal is owed a fair amount. Science cannot be entirely free (as in beer). But the knowledge gleaned from it can and certainly should be free (as in speech). Currently, your choices are Cell Reports[1] or eLife[2]. [1] http://www.elifesciences.org/ http://www.elifesciences.org/ [2] http://cellreports.cell.com/ http://cellreports.cell.com/

Crito 13y ago

Nobel Prizes do not get revoked just because you don't like some of the things a winner has said. In fact, they don't get revoked period. Even Luc Montagnier hasn't had his Nobel Prize revoked, and he's published loony stuff, not merely said mean things about some publishers.

chmike 13y ago

Apparently publishing in this journal is free (no fee required) and articles are accessible on the web for free. So to me it's free as in free bear. However there seam to be also a severe review process. So eLife is not as open as Reddit or HackerNews. ;)