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Google Registry

67 points by jganetsk 13y ago

null_ptr 13y ago
Does "Google is planning on being the registry for these new top level domains" mean that if I want a .dad or .new domain name my only option is to buy it through Google? (or through a Google reseller)
- cleverjake 13y ago
  It means they will control the root nameservers. They have the ability to choose who gets it and to what. In theory, they have no obligation to charge anyone.
  - fakeanon 13y ago
    So how do I control a root nameserver for a TLD?
    - finnn 13y ago
      You pay ICANN a lot of fucking money
      - waps 13y ago
        For $185k you get to ask ICANN for a tld. If they accept, I believe it's an additional $185k per year. Not sure if you get your money back if they refuse.
        lutoma 13y ago
        You don't.
        nnnnni 13y ago
        Wow, that sounds like a racket.
        smgoller 13y ago
        I've been told it's $25K/yr ongoing.
    - gwu78 13y ago
      It's relatively easy. 1. Download the root.zone file. Add your new TLD to it, _but don't change anything else_. 2. Configure and run the necessary DNS software (e.g., nsd, tinydns, etc. plus dnscache, or maybe pdns_recursor) on a computer with a publicly reachable IP address (a "server"). 3. Tell your users the IP address of your server. They can then change their DNS settings to point to your server. You now control the root nameserver for a new TLD. I run my own root.zone and DNS service for my devices at home and I have some custom TLDs. As such, I "control the root nameserver for a TLD". And I did not pay ICANN anything. What gives ICANN their ability to make money from this stuff is that for some reason not many people run their own root.zone.[1] Almost everyone points their DNS caches at the ICANN root.zone. Blind faith? 1. Running your own root.zone allows you to add or remove whatever TLDs or individual domainnames you wish. Quite a few people do desire the removal of individual domainnames, i.e., "filtering" and pay OpenDNS for this "service". You can accomplish this by running your own root.zone, for free.
      - matthewbadeau 13y ago
        To add to this OpenNIC[1] is a project encourages people to host their own name servers and even add additional TLDs to their DNS network. [1]http://www.opennicproject.org/ http://www.opennicproject.org/
      - fakeanon 13y ago
        Thank you.
- ytch 13y ago
  Those GTLDs are applied by Google[1], so Google have full control on them. [1] https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/viewstatus https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applications...
seiji 13y ago
Get ready for your online identity to be https://104233435224873922474.plus/ https://104233435224873922474.plus/
- lukifer 13y ago
  Google is arguably the most web-focused company in the world (the other contender being Mozilla). So how the hell did they manage to screw up something as basic as URLs on Google+? (I've always liked the elegance of twitter.com/username)
  - jpatokal 13y ago
    You may have missed this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/you-can-now-finally-get-a-vanity-url-for-your-google-plus-account-if-youre-eligible/ http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/you-can-now-finally-get-a-vanit...
    - lukifer 13y ago
      It doesn't matter. At this point, the web is already polluted with millions of horrible URLs that will/should never change.
  - antihero 13y ago
    Even worse, when they assigned "good" URLs they gave this horrendous preference to .coms and didn't allow any changes. For instance, say there's an empty domain at yourbusiness.com, but you're operating on yourbusiness.co.uk, the domain you get is the horrendous "yourbusinesscouk". whilst "yourbusiness" goes completely unused. Jerks.
- alokm 13y ago
  There is a custom URL feature for plus accounts. Eg. https://google.com/+YourFullName https://google.com/+YourFullName. I guess, they are reserving the urls for unique names. I got mine https://google.com/+AlokMandavgane https://google.com/+AlokMandavgane
magpi3 13y ago
At this point, what is the rationale behind limiting .TLDs anyway? Is it simply a means to create artificial scarcity so that the companies who control .TLDs can make money? Or is there a legitimate technical reason?
greenyoda 13y ago
I'm surprised by this choice of domains; many of them don't seem to be very appealing for either businesses or individuals. How many people would really want .foo, .boo or .soy?
- possibilistic 13y ago
  It will cost Google $185k/yr to run each of these gTLDs. Given that, I think we may know what some of Google's next shuttered projects will be. I wouldn't register a .soy domain (even for free) if I valued long-term presence. Not to discredit Google's attempts here prematurely, but they are known for shutting down non-profitable/low-trafficked services.
  - VonGuard 13y ago
    Do they really have to pay if they're running their own root name servers?
- signed0 13y ago
  According to the site[0], .foo is supposed to be for developers, .boo for scary stories, and .soy for spanish autobiographies. Given how well .me and .info did (can't remember the last time I saw one of those) I can't see this gaining much traction at all. [0] http://charlestonroadregistry.com/domains.html http://charlestonroadregistry.com/domains.html
  - dchest 13y ago
    .me is Montenegro's country TLD.
- nnnnni 13y ago
  Coming soon: traderjoes.soy birkenstock.soy wholefoods.soy ...and so on
cskau 13y ago
I don't particularly recognise any of the registrars. Does anyone have any experience they'd like to share, to help us choose? 101Domain, Inc. Ascio Technologies DOMAINREGISTRY.DE EBrandServices eNom EuroDNS Interlink Co., Ltd. Key-Systems Mailcub SAS MarkMonitor Name.com Openprovider Super Registry Inc.
- andrewpi 13y ago
  eNom is pretty well known
  - devopstom 13y ago
    And IME, best avoided.
- spydum 13y ago
  Markmonitor is very popular with enterprise folks for domain registry/management.
  - jcampbell1 13y ago
    They are the type that charges $10,000 per year, but will make a bunch of phone calls and a background check before doing a transfer or a nameserver change. Not sure they are relevant for the $10/year crowd.
- biscarch 13y ago
  I use 101Domain, especially for non-.com domains (.io, .ly, etc). It has worked well for me, but I haven't had to contact customer service for anything more serious than letting a domain lapse accidentally, which I got back with no hassle.
- hobs 13y ago
  name.com is mentioned on hn a lot, not a personal user of it.
- Gygash 13y ago
  I use name.com for my half-dozen personal domains, and am yet to have any issues with them. eNom I've only ever encountered while working for a web hosting company, and remember nothing but pain.
bvirkler 13y ago
.DAD but no .MOM?
- kivikakk 13y ago
  Or .MUM?
MichaelMoser123 13y ago
I would like EXE for top level domain; that would create lots of questions, like is this url a virus?
- nnnnni 13y ago
  That's really no different from .com ... Except for that people seem to have forgotten about the .com executables file extension.
bsimpson 13y ago
Interesting that .app isn't in their list of domains "Google is planning on being the registry" for.
malandrew 13y ago
I just hope we can set reserve .dev as a loopback interface like 127.0.0.1 or 169.254.0.0/16.
adamb_ 13y ago
If the top-level domain of a website can now be chosen from any number of 2-3 character combinations (i.e. other than "com"), reducing chances of it having each URL be "guessable", then why bother with top-level domains at all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_doma...
- kivikakk 13y ago
  One reason: there can only be so many root nameservers, which are capable of only so much traffic. Additional layers help keep DNS decentralised.
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nostromo 13y ago
I'm still haven't seen a .aero or .mobi once, ever. I can imagine .ing being very popular however, much as .ly is now.
- VonGuard 13y ago
  Yeah, wtf ever happened to .aero!? I see the occasional .info, but wasn't there also supposed to be a .museum? Hurrah for someone actually doing something with TLDs.
  - kivikakk 13y ago
    There are a couple: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site%3A.museum https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site%3A.museum
- Doctor_Fegg 13y ago
  I've just soft-launched a .travel: http://cycle.travel/ http://cycle.travel/ It's pretty much the only .travel I've ever seen, but the domain was just right for the content; it's memorable; and I figure that in an age where people find stuff via Google and not via an increasing number of obscure TLDs, the old "it must be .com" doesn't apply so much. (Probably the leading cycling site in the UK is road.cc, for "cycling club", and they seem to do fine.)
Im_Mr_Manager 13y ago
ahhhh .com. The original bitcoin. Sort of?
SimpleXYZ 13y ago
Here's a nice list: http://www.101domain.com/new_gtld_extensions.htm http://www.101domain.com/new_gtld_extensions.htm If these become really popular won't they break a ton of code? "My email is hello.peeps@my.feedback" Personally, I've seen users struggle with anything other than .com. I had a .net once and there were so many "I couldn't find your website" issues from users because it wasn't a .com.
- dmd 13y ago
  I've had regexps reject my domain (3e.org) because it's "too short" or (more frequently) "domains cannot start with a number".

67 points by jganetsk 13y ago

Does "Google is planning on being the registry for these new top level domains" mean that if I want a .dad or .new domain name my only option is to buy it through Google? (or through a Google reseller)

cleverjake 13y ago
It means they will control the root nameservers. They have the ability to choose who gets it and to what. In theory, they have no obligation to charge anyone.
- fakeanon 13y ago
  So how do I control a root nameserver for a TLD?
  - finnn 13y ago
    You pay ICANN a lot of fucking money
    - waps 13y ago
      For $185k you get to ask ICANN for a tld. If they accept, I believe it's an additional $185k per year. Not sure if you get your money back if they refuse.
      - lutoma 13y ago
        You don't.
        nnnnni 13y ago
        Wow, that sounds like a racket.
      - smgoller 13y ago
        I've been told it's $25K/yr ongoing.
  - gwu78 13y ago
    It's relatively easy. 1. Download the root.zone file. Add your new TLD to it, _but don't change anything else_. 2. Configure and run the necessary DNS software (e.g., nsd, tinydns, etc. plus dnscache, or maybe pdns_recursor) on a computer with a publicly reachable IP address (a "server"). 3. Tell your users the IP address of your server. They can then change their DNS settings to point to your server. You now control the root nameserver for a new TLD. I run my own root.zone and DNS service for my devices at home and I have some custom TLDs. As such, I "control the root nameserver for a TLD". And I did not pay ICANN anything. What gives ICANN their ability to make money from this stuff is that for some reason not many people run their own root.zone.[1] Almost everyone points their DNS caches at the ICANN root.zone. Blind faith? 1. Running your own root.zone allows you to add or remove whatever TLDs or individual domainnames you wish. Quite a few people do desire the removal of individual domainnames, i.e., "filtering" and pay OpenDNS for this "service". You can accomplish this by running your own root.zone, for free.
    - matthewbadeau 13y ago
      To add to this OpenNIC[1] is a project encourages people to host their own name servers and even add additional TLDs to their DNS network. [1]http://www.opennicproject.org/ http://www.opennicproject.org/
    - fakeanon 13y ago
      Thank you.
ytch 13y ago
Those GTLDs are applied by Google[1], so Google have full control on them. [1] https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/viewstatus https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applications...

seiji 13y ago

Get ready for your online identity to be https://104233435224873922474.plus/ https://104233435224873922474.plus/

lukifer 13y ago
Google is arguably the most web-focused company in the world (the other contender being Mozilla). So how the hell did they manage to screw up something as basic as URLs on Google+? (I've always liked the elegance of twitter.com/username)
- jpatokal 13y ago
  You may have missed this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/you-can-now-finally-get-a-vanity-url-for-your-google-plus-account-if-youre-eligible/ http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/you-can-now-finally-get-a-vanit...
  - lukifer 13y ago
    It doesn't matter. At this point, the web is already polluted with millions of horrible URLs that will/should never change.
- antihero 13y ago
  Even worse, when they assigned "good" URLs they gave this horrendous preference to .coms and didn't allow any changes. For instance, say there's an empty domain at yourbusiness.com, but you're operating on yourbusiness.co.uk, the domain you get is the horrendous "yourbusinesscouk". whilst "yourbusiness" goes completely unused. Jerks.
alokm 13y ago
There is a custom URL feature for plus accounts. Eg. https://google.com/+YourFullName https://google.com/+YourFullName. I guess, they are reserving the urls for unique names. I got mine https://google.com/+AlokMandavgane https://google.com/+AlokMandavgane

magpi3 13y ago

At this point, what is the rationale behind limiting .TLDs anyway? Is it simply a means to create artificial scarcity so that the companies who control .TLDs can make money? Or is there a legitimate technical reason?

greenyoda 13y ago

I'm surprised by this choice of domains; many of them don't seem to be very appealing for either businesses or individuals. How many people would really want .foo, .boo or .soy?

possibilistic 13y ago
It will cost Google $185k/yr to run each of these gTLDs. Given that, I think we may know what some of Google's next shuttered projects will be. I wouldn't register a .soy domain (even for free) if I valued long-term presence. Not to discredit Google's attempts here prematurely, but they are known for shutting down non-profitable/low-trafficked services.
- VonGuard 13y ago
  Do they really have to pay if they're running their own root name servers?
signed0 13y ago
According to the site[0], .foo is supposed to be for developers, .boo for scary stories, and .soy for spanish autobiographies. Given how well .me and .info did (can't remember the last time I saw one of those) I can't see this gaining much traction at all. [0] http://charlestonroadregistry.com/domains.html http://charlestonroadregistry.com/domains.html
- dchest 13y ago
  .me is Montenegro's country TLD.
nnnnni 13y ago
Coming soon: traderjoes.soy birkenstock.soy wholefoods.soy ...and so on

cskau 13y ago

I don't particularly recognise any of the registrars. Does anyone have any experience they'd like to share, to help us choose? 101Domain, Inc. Ascio Technologies DOMAINREGISTRY.DE EBrandServices eNom EuroDNS Interlink Co., Ltd. Key-Systems Mailcub SAS MarkMonitor Name.com Openprovider Super Registry Inc.

andrewpi 13y ago
eNom is pretty well known
- devopstom 13y ago
  And IME, best avoided.
spydum 13y ago
Markmonitor is very popular with enterprise folks for domain registry/management.
- jcampbell1 13y ago
  They are the type that charges $10,000 per year, but will make a bunch of phone calls and a background check before doing a transfer or a nameserver change. Not sure they are relevant for the $10/year crowd.
biscarch 13y ago
I use 101Domain, especially for non-.com domains (.io, .ly, etc). It has worked well for me, but I haven't had to contact customer service for anything more serious than letting a domain lapse accidentally, which I got back with no hassle.
hobs 13y ago
name.com is mentioned on hn a lot, not a personal user of it.
Gygash 13y ago
I use name.com for my half-dozen personal domains, and am yet to have any issues with them. eNom I've only ever encountered while working for a web hosting company, and remember nothing but pain.

bvirkler 13y ago

.DAD but no .MOM?

kivikakk 13y ago
Or .MUM?

MichaelMoser123 13y ago

I would like EXE for top level domain; that would create lots of questions, like is this url a virus?

nnnnni 13y ago
That's really no different from .com ... Except for that people seem to have forgotten about the .com executables file extension.

bsimpson 13y ago

Interesting that .app isn't in their list of domains "Google is planning on being the registry" for.

malandrew 13y ago

I just hope we can set reserve .dev as a loopback interface like 127.0.0.1 or 169.254.0.0/16.

adamb_ 13y ago

If the top-level domain of a website can now be chosen from any number of 2-3 character combinations (i.e. other than "com"), reducing chances of it having each URL be "guessable", then why bother with top-level domains at all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_doma...

kivikakk 13y ago
One reason: there can only be so many root nameservers, which are capable of only so much traffic. Additional layers help keep DNS decentralised.

deleted 13y ago

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nostromo 13y ago

I'm still haven't seen a .aero or .mobi once, ever. I can imagine .ing being very popular however, much as .ly is now.

VonGuard 13y ago
Yeah, wtf ever happened to .aero!? I see the occasional .info, but wasn't there also supposed to be a .museum? Hurrah for someone actually doing something with TLDs.
- kivikakk 13y ago
  There are a couple: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site%3A.museum https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site%3A.museum
Doctor_Fegg 13y ago
I've just soft-launched a .travel: http://cycle.travel/ http://cycle.travel/ It's pretty much the only .travel I've ever seen, but the domain was just right for the content; it's memorable; and I figure that in an age where people find stuff via Google and not via an increasing number of obscure TLDs, the old "it must be .com" doesn't apply so much. (Probably the leading cycling site in the UK is road.cc, for "cycling club", and they seem to do fine.)

Im_Mr_Manager 13y ago

ahhhh .com. The original bitcoin. Sort of?

SimpleXYZ 13y ago

Here's a nice list: http://www.101domain.com/new_gtld_extensions.htm http://www.101domain.com/new_gtld_extensions.htm If these become really popular won't they break a ton of code? "My email is hello.peeps@my.feedback" Personally, I've seen users struggle with anything other than .com. I had a .net once and there were so many "I couldn't find your website" issues from users because it wasn't a .com.

dmd 13y ago
I've had regexps reject my domain (3e.org) because it's "too short" or (more frequently) "domains cannot start with a number".