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Honestly this makes me a little upset. While I am happy that these corporations are taking a stand against surveillance, I am not convinced of their intentions:

by sklivvz1971 13y ago

Honestly this makes me a little upset. While I am happy that these corporations are taking a stand against surveillance, I am not convinced of their intentions: * This summer's hailstorm was about NSA but also about them. This site obviously ignores this and shows these corps as innocent victims, which they are not. * It's clearly too little! "Governments should reform themselves". How should they do that? There are absolutely no proposals on how to fix this on this site. * It's clearly too late. This should have happened before Snoweden, not six months after. This is just "let's go back to normal" propaganda, "damage control" PR. Nothing will change because of this.

scrrr 13y ago
They quote Zuckerberg on that site: "Reports about government surveillance have shown there is a real need for greater disclosure and new limits on how governments collect information." So what about limits on how businesses collect information?
- crazypyro 13y ago
  There is a huge difference between companies collecting data on their customers and a govt collecting on their entire population...
  - Joeboy 13y ago
    There is a smaller difference when it's a business collecting data on the entire population.
    - betterunix 13y ago
      Businesses cannot lock people in prison or send teams of soldiers in to arrest people. Businesses cannot (legally) send people or robots to assassinate others. I think there is a very big difference between businesses collecting information and governments collecting information -- because governments can do substantially more damage. (Full disclosure: I currently work for one of the companies on the list.)
      - 001sky 13y ago
        The counter argument is (1) private companies can provide this information to whomevere they choose...including the government or a subset therof; and (2) once it is amassed, the government can compel access via the courts quite easliy.
allworknoplay 13y ago
It's really the lack of prescriptions, threats, petitioning, or any other real call to action that surprises me. They could say any number of things, but instead they list some vague principles and some quotes. How about: * we will aggressively develop and support cryptographic methods that will keep you out of peoples' business * here are some specific legislative demands * here's a petition users can sign * we're making direct appeals to our users to call you all and will keep them apprised of your progress hell, even * here's a count of the number of people who have shared something stupid across our many social media So many things they could be doing...

scrrr 13y ago

They quote Zuckerberg on that site: "Reports about government surveillance have shown there is a real need for greater disclosure and new limits on how governments collect information." So what about limits on how businesses collect information?

crazypyro 13y ago
There is a huge difference between companies collecting data on their customers and a govt collecting on their entire population...
- Joeboy 13y ago
  There is a smaller difference when it's a business collecting data on the entire population.
  - betterunix 13y ago
    Businesses cannot lock people in prison or send teams of soldiers in to arrest people. Businesses cannot (legally) send people or robots to assassinate others. I think there is a very big difference between businesses collecting information and governments collecting information -- because governments can do substantially more damage. (Full disclosure: I currently work for one of the companies on the list.)
    - 001sky 13y ago
      The counter argument is (1) private companies can provide this information to whomevere they choose...including the government or a subset therof; and (2) once it is amassed, the government can compel access via the courts quite easliy.

allworknoplay 13y ago

It's really the lack of prescriptions, threats, petitioning, or any other real call to action that surprises me. They could say any number of things, but instead they list some vague principles and some quotes. How about: * we will aggressively develop and support cryptographic methods that will keep you out of peoples' business * here are some specific legislative demands * here's a petition users can sign * we're making direct appeals to our users to call you all and will keep them apprised of your progress hell, even * here's a count of the number of people who have shared something stupid across our many social media So many things they could be doing...