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One of the biggest reasons for that lack of interest is that students have been turned off to the subjects as they move from kindergarten to high school. Many a
by vezzy-fnord 13y ago
One of the biggest reasons for that lack of interest is that students have been turned off to the subjects as they move from kindergarten to high school. Many are being taught by teachers who have no particular expertise in the subjects. They are following outdated curriculums and textbooks. They become convinced they’re “no good at math,” that math and science are only for nerds, and fall behind.
That’s because the American system of teaching these subjects is broken. For all the reform campaigns over the years, most schools continue to teach math and science in an off-putting way that appeals only to the most fervent students. The mathematical sequence has changed little since the Sputnik era: arithmetic, pre-algebra, algebra, geometry, trigonometry and, for only 17 percent of students, calculus. Science is generally limited to the familiar trinity of biology, chemistry, physics and, occasionally, earth science.
These two paragraphs capture the essence of the issue.
In fact, forgive me for bringing up the topic of compulsory schooling and deliberately defective education again, but I think I might have an interesting tidbit to share on this, which paints a rather ugly picture of the whole situation.
An excerpt from Charlotte Iserbyt's the deliberate dumbing down of america (Revised and Abridged Edition [2011], Ch 2: The Turning of the Tides, p. 31, c. 1928):
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"1928: A deliberate math "dumb down" was seriously discussed in 1928. A teacher named O.A. Nelson, John Dewey, Edward Thorndike (who conducted early behavioral psychology experiments on chickens), and other Council on Foreign Relations members attended a Progressive Education Association meeting in 1928 at which O. A. Nelson was informed that the purpose of "new math" was to dumb down students. Nelson revealed in a later interview with Young Parents Alert that the Progressive Education Association was a communist front. According to the National Educator (July 1979):
Mr. O. A. Nelson, retired educator, has supplied the vitally important documentation needed to support the link-up between the textbooks and the Council on Foreign Relations. His letter was first printed in "Young Parents Alert" (Lake Elmo, Minnesota). His story is self-explanatory.
I know from personal experience what I am talking about. In December 1928, I was asked to talk to the American Association for the Advancement of Science. On December 27th, naïve and inexperienced, I agreed. I had done some special work in teaching functional physics in high school. That was to be my topic. The next day, the 28th, a Dr. Ziegler asked me if I would attend a special educational meeting in his room after the AAAS meeting. We met from 10 o'clock [p.m.] until after 2:30 a.m.
We were 13 at the meeting. Two things caused Dr. Ziegler, who was chairman of the Educational Committee of the Council of Foreign Relations, to ask me to attend… my talk on the teaching of functional physics in high school, and the fact that I was a member of a group known as the Progressive Educators of America, which was nothing but a Communist front. I thought the word "progressive" meant progress for better schools.
Eleven of those attending the meeting were leaders in education. Drs. John Dewey and Edward Thorndike, from Columbia University, were there, and the others were of equal rank. I checked later and found that ALL were paid members of the Communist Party of Russia. I was classified as a member of the Party, but I did not know it at the time.
The sole work of the group was to destroy our schools! We spent one hour and forty-five minutes discussing the so-called "Modern Math." At one point I objected because there was too much memory work, and math is reasoning; not memory. Dr. Ziegler turned to me and said,
"Nelson, wake up! That is what we want… a math that the pupils cannot apply to life situations when they get out of school!"
That math was not introduced until much later, as those present thought it was too radical a change. A milder course by Dr. Beckner was substituted but it was also worthless, as far as understanding math was concerned. The radical change was introduced in 1952. It was the one we are using now. So, if pupils come out of high school now, not knowing any math, don't blame them. The results are supposed to be worthless."
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- mikevm 13y agoMany are being taught by teachers who have no particular expertise in the subjects. The expert PhDs that taught me math in the University were horrible teachers that made the subjects dull and uninteresting.
- recuter 13y agoSo the former is a case of the blind leading the deaf, and the latter is a case of the dumb leading the blind.
- mostlyalive 13y agoI think it should be noted that Charlotte Iserbyt's views tend to be towards the Alex Jones/New World Order spectrum, although that obviously doesn't mean she's wrong or that the educational system isn't seriously fucked up. I only point this out because those views can be a bit extreme, and sometimes flat-out wrong. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charlotte_Thomson_Iserbyt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charlotte_Thomson_Iserbyt http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-charlotte-iserbyt-reveals-skull-bones-and-the-destruction-of-america/ http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-charlotte-iserbyt-reveals-... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p94_Cfo7XD0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p94_Cfo7XD0 http://www.prisonplanet.com/america-on-the-road-to-total-destruction-with-author-charlotte-iserbyt.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/america-on-the-road-to-total-des... http://www.infowars.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-miseducation-of-america/ http://www.infowars.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-miseducation-o... http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt114.htm http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt114.htm
- vezzy-fnord 13y agoOh yes, there is an inherent bias to the conservative spectrum in Iserbyt's writings, but for the most part her compilation of documents is sound. This one, in particular, is fine. For what it's worth, the Alex Jones media cult, despite its populistic pandering to the conservative Christian demographic, can be quite a breath of fresh air, and they do routinely talk about government, military and intelligence operations no one else will.
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