Your view is precisely what I was countering. My point was that they can considered to be the same thing, by the abstract object becoming your "current experien

Your view is precisely what I was countering. My point was that they can considered to be the same thing, by the abstract object becoming your "current experience". That it's not just playing with words, but that humans use the same circuitry to experience both (similar to how we experience tools as extensions to our bodies; and that dreams can be perceived as real). However, I'm just restating my comment. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you. :-)