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Have a messaging system that implements per-MB fees in order to support the network. The transaction has to be signed by the sender, receiver, and burdened node

Have a messaging system that implements per-MB fees in order to support the network. The transaction has to be signed by the sender, receiver, and burdened nodes. BOOM no spam.

infruset 13y ago
then couldn't we just use the Bitcoin protocol for sending messages?
- wcummings 13y ago
  Yes, but this would be frowned upon and even actively resisted by the BTC community because it clutters up the blockchain
Atheros 13y ago
No one is willing to pay money to send messages. I even proposed Satoshi Nakamoto's idea (possibly other earlier peoples' idea) to require paying to send a message but receiving money to receive a message and no one would accept even that idea.
- Paperweight 13y ago
  Who cares if some people don't accept an idea at first if it's backward compatible? Make a client that checks if the recipient isn't found in the encrypted network and gives you the option to fall back to regular email, even without the benefits of anonymity and privacy. Besides that, the idea is to attach two "stamps" to an encrypted message. One goes to the recipient and one goes to the mail server, but only in tandem. That pays the mail server for storing the message until the recipient goes online to pick it up. And it also stops people from running their own fake mail server that just skims stamps and throws away the messages. It's basically a throwaway dropbox. I'm dreaming and have no idea how to implement it, but I've kicked it around for years ever since pondering the Your Idea Won't Work "form" (http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt)
al2o3cr 13y ago
...and "BOOM" the whole no-metadata thing as well. See also the craziness with tracking Bitcoins from wallet-to-wallet recently.
- Paperweight 13y ago
  You must admit that even an imperfect setup that leaks a little bit of metadata is a lot less bad than storing your entire inbox in cleartext at the NSA, which is what regular email amounts to.
  - nolok 13y ago
    But he never argued against that, he is saying that bitmessage (aims to) provides a solution to a particular problem, and your proposal would absolutely dismantle that solution. Whether the result would be better that another unrelated product is irrelevant. "here is a sugar-free pie !" "you should add sugar to solve the sour taste problem" "but, that would defeat the whole no-sugar thing ..." "You must admit that it's still a lot less bad than soyent though !"
    - Paperweight 13y ago
      If you add a little sugar and all the other problems go away, it might be worth it. Email is not irrelevant.

Have a messaging system that implements per-MB fees in order to support the network. The transaction has to be signed by the sender, receiver, and burdened nodes. BOOM no spam.

infruset 13y ago

then couldn't we just use the Bitcoin protocol for sending messages?

wcummings 13y ago
Yes, but this would be frowned upon and even actively resisted by the BTC community because it clutters up the blockchain

Atheros 13y ago

No one is willing to pay money to send messages. I even proposed Satoshi Nakamoto's idea (possibly other earlier peoples' idea) to require paying to send a message but receiving money to receive a message and no one would accept even that idea.

Paperweight 13y ago
Who cares if some people don't accept an idea at first if it's backward compatible? Make a client that checks if the recipient isn't found in the encrypted network and gives you the option to fall back to regular email, even without the benefits of anonymity and privacy. Besides that, the idea is to attach two "stamps" to an encrypted message. One goes to the recipient and one goes to the mail server, but only in tandem. That pays the mail server for storing the message until the recipient goes online to pick it up. And it also stops people from running their own fake mail server that just skims stamps and throws away the messages. It's basically a throwaway dropbox. I'm dreaming and have no idea how to implement it, but I've kicked it around for years ever since pondering the Your Idea Won't Work "form" (http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt)

al2o3cr 13y ago

...and "BOOM" the whole no-metadata thing as well. See also the craziness with tracking Bitcoins from wallet-to-wallet recently.

Paperweight 13y ago
You must admit that even an imperfect setup that leaks a little bit of metadata is a lot less bad than storing your entire inbox in cleartext at the NSA, which is what regular email amounts to.
- nolok 13y ago
  But he never argued against that, he is saying that bitmessage (aims to) provides a solution to a particular problem, and your proposal would absolutely dismantle that solution. Whether the result would be better that another unrelated product is irrelevant. "here is a sugar-free pie !" "you should add sugar to solve the sour taste problem" "but, that would defeat the whole no-sugar thing ..." "You must admit that it's still a lot less bad than soyent though !"
  - Paperweight 13y ago
    If you add a little sugar and all the other problems go away, it might be worth it. Email is not irrelevant.