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Are you saying the New York Times is trash? If so, I disagree. Although I wouldn't put any institution on a pedestal, I would say that the NYT is demonstrably

Are you saying the New York Times is trash? If so, I disagree. Although I wouldn't put any institution on a pedestal, I would say that the NYT is demonstrably a non-trashy news organization. Demonstrable in part by the fact you don't love everything they write about your precious industry or coast -- that is in fact an indication that they're doing a good job, i.e. not pleasing everyone all the time.

001sky 13y ago
Are you saying the New York Times is trash WAT? He's referring to the trash they <write>[1,2]. Its more akin saying the east coast media has a napoleon complex wrt the west coast (because the growing wealth threaten's old money/media's sense of self/hegemony). Lots of people use "trashtalk" professionally, eg sportsmen. Hell, it even has its own wikipedia page. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash-talk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash-talk [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smack_talk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smack_talk
- 6cxs2hd6 13y ago
  Well I also disagree that the New York Times writes trash, either. Yes we're all primates. Yes you can usefully analyze a lot of behavior in terms of tribes and regions, and who is the current or former alpha male, etc. At the same time, you can make an effort to transcend that, with at least partial success. An organization like the NYT exists to try. They can never be 100% successful. But I think it's missing the point to fling feces at them, saying, "Hey, they're just flinging feces." O_o The article has a valid point. What some of y'all need is the Uber of Ubers -- an app that geolocates the nearest business, and spits out a business plan for Uber-izing it. Which you can run down to the average investor who wants to hide in the middle of the tribe/herd. Obviously not all startups or investors are that unoriginal. pg has a great point that some are original, but need to seem less so -- to simplify their message -- for the average bear. Even so, many startups are yawningly copycat. And some folks doth protest too much when it's pointed out.
  - 001sky 13y ago
    Well I also disagree that the New York Times writes trash Odd that someone who thinks the NYT is a 'transcendental' organization is wedded to a literal interpretaion of word.
    - 6cxs2hd6 13y ago
      > someone who thinks the NYT is a 'transcendental' organization I didn't say "transcendental". And I'm not saying let's worship the NYT like a sparkly unicorn. I said news organizations like the NYT exist to try to transcend us/them tribe/region primate thinking, and try to be objective. I admitted they don't always succeed, but said I think it's unfair to presume they don't even try. p.s. My comments above got a few upvotes... then voted back down again. I thought HN is supposed to be different, and people aren't supposed to downvote solely because they disagree. p.p.s. I'm not implying you downvoted me. I doubt that you did.

001sky 13y ago

Are you saying the New York Times is trash WAT? He's referring to the trash they <write>[1,2]. Its more akin saying the east coast media has a napoleon complex wrt the west coast (because the growing wealth threaten's old money/media's sense of self/hegemony). Lots of people use "trashtalk" professionally, eg sportsmen. Hell, it even has its own wikipedia page. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash-talk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash-talk [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smack_talk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smack_talk

6cxs2hd6 13y ago
Well I also disagree that the New York Times writes trash, either. Yes we're all primates. Yes you can usefully analyze a lot of behavior in terms of tribes and regions, and who is the current or former alpha male, etc. At the same time, you can make an effort to transcend that, with at least partial success. An organization like the NYT exists to try. They can never be 100% successful. But I think it's missing the point to fling feces at them, saying, "Hey, they're just flinging feces." O_o The article has a valid point. What some of y'all need is the Uber of Ubers -- an app that geolocates the nearest business, and spits out a business plan for Uber-izing it. Which you can run down to the average investor who wants to hide in the middle of the tribe/herd. Obviously not all startups or investors are that unoriginal. pg has a great point that some are original, but need to seem less so -- to simplify their message -- for the average bear. Even so, many startups are yawningly copycat. And some folks doth protest too much when it's pointed out.
- 001sky 13y ago
  Well I also disagree that the New York Times writes trash Odd that someone who thinks the NYT is a 'transcendental' organization is wedded to a literal interpretaion of word.
  - 6cxs2hd6 13y ago
    > someone who thinks the NYT is a 'transcendental' organization I didn't say "transcendental". And I'm not saying let's worship the NYT like a sparkly unicorn. I said news organizations like the NYT exist to try to transcend us/them tribe/region primate thinking, and try to be objective. I admitted they don't always succeed, but said I think it's unfair to presume they don't even try. p.s. My comments above got a few upvotes... then voted back down again. I thought HN is supposed to be different, and people aren't supposed to downvote solely because they disagree. p.p.s. I'm not implying you downvoted me. I doubt that you did.