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> firstly there is something very wrong with the business world when you have to avoid the 9-5 full of interruptions to get any work done. I know this from expe

> firstly there is something very wrong with the business world when you have to avoid the 9-5 full of interruptions to get any work done. I know this from experience. If you are a low-level programmer or work for a very small startup yes, but at scale communication and coordination overhead is necessary and significant. As a tech lead I am keenly aware of the tension between the fact that interruptions may shoot my technical work to hell, but if it helps 10 other people be twice as productive that day it might well be worth it to sacrifice my own productivity, especially if the interruption is of the "teach a man to fish" variety.

nikomen 13y ago
I find that it's not the necessary communication interruptions that are the problem. Of course communication is necessary. However, it's the unnecessary interruptions that are the problem. They could be rude people, poor climate control, or any number of other things. I'm not sure why business people and managers refuse to remedy these issues. It seems like so many companies are content with lower productivity.
- dasil003 13y ago
  Okay, good for you, but both you and the GP are trying to force a false dichotomy. I am saying that a legitimate work environment where everything is relatively sane and people are respectful can still be tremendously distracting when you need heads down time.
  - lifeisstillgood 13y ago
    True - which kind of indicates its not a same environment - have you tried remote working?
lifeisstillgood 13y ago
9 times out of 10 interruptions that I remember had nothing to do with improving others productivity but getting around what can best be thought if as systemic pathologies - meetings to convince people who should have no power over the project the project was on track, discussing schedules and projections. Rarely were the right people involved. So be glad your interruptions have a net value. Maybe my anecdata is untypical - It would be nice to think so.
- dasil003 13y ago
  This is a non-sequitur. Paraphrasing the thread: OP says "there is something wrong with the business world where you have to avoid the interruptions of the 9-5 to get things done" I reply "even if nothing is wrong, the needs of others can conflict with the need for focus" Then you reply "but most interruptions are not necessary for anybody's productivity". That has nothing to do with my point. I'm not diagnosing the work world in general. I'm saying even if you fix all the problems, there will still necessarily be distractions in the 9-5 that an engineer might seek to avoid.

nikomen 13y ago

I find that it's not the necessary communication interruptions that are the problem. Of course communication is necessary. However, it's the unnecessary interruptions that are the problem. They could be rude people, poor climate control, or any number of other things. I'm not sure why business people and managers refuse to remedy these issues. It seems like so many companies are content with lower productivity.

dasil003 13y ago
Okay, good for you, but both you and the GP are trying to force a false dichotomy. I am saying that a legitimate work environment where everything is relatively sane and people are respectful can still be tremendously distracting when you need heads down time.
- lifeisstillgood 13y ago
  True - which kind of indicates its not a same environment - have you tried remote working?

lifeisstillgood 13y ago

9 times out of 10 interruptions that I remember had nothing to do with improving others productivity but getting around what can best be thought if as systemic pathologies - meetings to convince people who should have no power over the project the project was on track, discussing schedules and projections. Rarely were the right people involved. So be glad your interruptions have a net value. Maybe my anecdata is untypical - It would be nice to think so.

dasil003 13y ago
This is a non-sequitur. Paraphrasing the thread: OP says "there is something wrong with the business world where you have to avoid the interruptions of the 9-5 to get things done" I reply "even if nothing is wrong, the needs of others can conflict with the need for focus" Then you reply "but most interruptions are not necessary for anybody's productivity". That has nothing to do with my point. I'm not diagnosing the work world in general. I'm saying even if you fix all the problems, there will still necessarily be distractions in the 9-5 that an engineer might seek to avoid.