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You're making the mistake of conflating PHP the language with Rails the Framework. I can do your app in Rails pretty damn quickly at this point (with one of my

You're making the mistake of conflating PHP the language with Rails the Framework. I can do your app in Rails pretty damn quickly at this point (with one of my current skeleton frameworks I can add authentication administration and other nice features pretty much "for free" as well) But tell me I have to do it CodeIgniter or Laravel and I'd be completely lost for days.

mscottmcbee 13y ago
True, it's not exactly fair to compare getting started with a language and getting started with a framework, especially one as opinionated as Rails.
gngeal 13y ago
> You're making the mistake of conflating PHP the language with Rails the Framework. I've heard someone call PHP "the C web framework". I thought it was fitting, and in addition, it seemed that even as a C web framework, it was a failure.
- Jormundir 13y ago
  PHP the C web framework? PHP a failure? Lol!
  - gngeal 13y ago
    "Lol!" I think you're in the wrong place. Reddit is this way.
- theg2 13y ago
  PHP may have some rather serious flaws but it is far from a failure and runs on a huge majority of the web.
  - cafard 13y ago
    Agree that it has flaws, agree that it not a failure, but what do you mean "runs on a large majority of the web"?
  - gngeal 13y ago
    "but it is far from a failure" CS-wise (and design-wise), it's very much a failure. It's a market success, though - just like VHS was, many years ago. ;-)
orblivion 13y ago
The question then is, can you throw together a website in Ruby? Plus, have your non-technical folks be able to edit the templates?
- dpritchett 13y ago
  Ruby is not a hypertext preprocessor. You don't have a simple web server and a templating language in-scope unless you find them and set them up.
- saraid216 13y ago
  Define "non-technical". Are we talking "I need teh WYSIWYGz" or "Cascading styles like a boss"?
- Arnor 13y ago
  By the time your "non-technical folks" are editing templates, you have a problem regardless of your language/framework. If you only have enough knowledge to "add an image" stay out of my HTML!
  - AdrianRossouw 13y ago
    my life got so much easier when i stopped pretending that non-programmers should be able to work on the templating layer.

mscottmcbee 13y ago

True, it's not exactly fair to compare getting started with a language and getting started with a framework, especially one as opinionated as Rails.

gngeal 13y ago

> You're making the mistake of conflating PHP the language with Rails the Framework. I've heard someone call PHP "the C web framework". I thought it was fitting, and in addition, it seemed that even as a C web framework, it was a failure.

Jormundir 13y ago
PHP the C web framework? PHP a failure? Lol!
- gngeal 13y ago
  "Lol!" I think you're in the wrong place. Reddit is this way.
theg2 13y ago
PHP may have some rather serious flaws but it is far from a failure and runs on a huge majority of the web.
- cafard 13y ago
  Agree that it has flaws, agree that it not a failure, but what do you mean "runs on a large majority of the web"?
- gngeal 13y ago
  "but it is far from a failure" CS-wise (and design-wise), it's very much a failure. It's a market success, though - just like VHS was, many years ago. ;-)

orblivion 13y ago

The question then is, can you throw together a website in Ruby? Plus, have your non-technical folks be able to edit the templates?

dpritchett 13y ago
Ruby is not a hypertext preprocessor. You don't have a simple web server and a templating language in-scope unless you find them and set them up.
saraid216 13y ago
Define "non-technical". Are we talking "I need teh WYSIWYGz" or "Cascading styles like a boss"?
Arnor 13y ago
By the time your "non-technical folks" are editing templates, you have a problem regardless of your language/framework. If you only have enough knowledge to "add an image" stay out of my HTML!
- AdrianRossouw 13y ago
  my life got so much easier when i stopped pretending that non-programmers should be able to work on the templating layer.