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What you really needed to do was move to Google who bill by the minute. Not a Google shill by the way - I don't have a preference yet. However, for that partic

What you really needed to do was move to Google who bill by the minute. Not a Google shill by the way - I don't have a preference yet. However, for that particular complaint, Google has the solution.

octix 13y ago
I think you get billed for at least 10min... still better than 1 hour though.
- linker3000 13y ago
  When/if Amazon notice significant churn heading Google's way, I expect one of the things they'll look at is their billing time granularity.
- Florin_Andrei 13y ago
  Right, 10 min upfront, then by the minute. The last minute chunk is discarded from billing if it was actually used less than 15 sec. Or so I remember from reading the ToS yesterday. The command-line cloud utility is so much easier than Amazon's. Everything is in one place. ssh keys are managed automatically. In less than 1 hour I was able to do everything with Google, whereas it took me a couple days to feel comfortable with AWS.
tstrimple 13y ago
Azure bills by the minute as well. http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2013/06/03/windows-azure-announcing-new-dev-test-offering-biztalk-services-ssl-support-with-web-sites-ad-improvements-per-minute-billing.aspx http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2013/06/03/windows-az...
- pyrocat 13y ago
  True, but it doesn't always play well with non-msft tech stacks.
  - chollida1 13y ago
    > True, but it doesn't always play well with non-msft tech stacks In what way?? I mean thsi honestly. We use linux vms on azure with no problems at all. What non-msft tech stacks doesn't it "play well with"?
    - anko 13y ago
      I'm pretty interested in your experiences with linux on azure. I've been to both azure and aws workshops, and I found the azure presenters to be somewhat hostile towards alternative operating systems. They had a slide saying they linux was 100% supported, but they didn't talk to it at all. In fact, it was nearly comical how the presenter didn't want to touch my mac to help with setup. From my reading, azure seems to be pretty awesome as far as integration with visual studio, but is seriously lacking when it comes to features on their load balancer etc. Their security model is kinda weird too, where defaults open your firewall to the rest of azure commonly. So that's just my ideas, what are your experiences? have you seen AWS opsworks?
      - tstrimple 13y ago
        I'm sorry you had a bad experience at the Azure workshop. There are a lot of people running those types of events both inside and outside of Microsoft and the quality is all over the map. Unfortunately a lot of technical people at Microsoft are still very insular. They primarily interact with Microsoft friendly .NET developers and rarely have to stray into the big scary world of *nix. They probably don't talk about the Linux support or help with your Mac because it would show their ignorance on the subject. Fortunately there is also another side of Microsoft. A side which is doing fantastic work in the open source community as well as with things like the Linux support in Azure. I would be happy to talk more about Linux support in Azure and I am more than capable of helping out with any setup required, regardless of your operating system of choice. If you're still interested, you can reach me at tistrimp@microsoft.com
asdasf 13y ago
Are many people using so few aws services that they are able to move to google? It seems like a hassle to use google for VMs and file storage, while having to still use amazon for all the other services google doesn't offer.

What you really needed to do was move to Google who bill by the minute. Not a Google shill by the way - I don't have a preference yet. However, for that particular complaint, Google has the solution.

octix 13y ago

I think you get billed for at least 10min... still better than 1 hour though.

linker3000 13y ago
When/if Amazon notice significant churn heading Google's way, I expect one of the things they'll look at is their billing time granularity.
Florin_Andrei 13y ago
Right, 10 min upfront, then by the minute. The last minute chunk is discarded from billing if it was actually used less than 15 sec. Or so I remember from reading the ToS yesterday. The command-line cloud utility is so much easier than Amazon's. Everything is in one place. ssh keys are managed automatically. In less than 1 hour I was able to do everything with Google, whereas it took me a couple days to feel comfortable with AWS.

tstrimple 13y ago

Azure bills by the minute as well. http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2013/06/03/windows-azure-announcing-new-dev-test-offering-biztalk-services-ssl-support-with-web-sites-ad-improvements-per-minute-billing.aspx http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2013/06/03/windows-az...

pyrocat 13y ago
True, but it doesn't always play well with non-msft tech stacks.
- chollida1 13y ago
  > True, but it doesn't always play well with non-msft tech stacks In what way?? I mean thsi honestly. We use linux vms on azure with no problems at all. What non-msft tech stacks doesn't it "play well with"?
  - anko 13y ago
    I'm pretty interested in your experiences with linux on azure. I've been to both azure and aws workshops, and I found the azure presenters to be somewhat hostile towards alternative operating systems. They had a slide saying they linux was 100% supported, but they didn't talk to it at all. In fact, it was nearly comical how the presenter didn't want to touch my mac to help with setup. From my reading, azure seems to be pretty awesome as far as integration with visual studio, but is seriously lacking when it comes to features on their load balancer etc. Their security model is kinda weird too, where defaults open your firewall to the rest of azure commonly. So that's just my ideas, what are your experiences? have you seen AWS opsworks?
    - tstrimple 13y ago
      I'm sorry you had a bad experience at the Azure workshop. There are a lot of people running those types of events both inside and outside of Microsoft and the quality is all over the map. Unfortunately a lot of technical people at Microsoft are still very insular. They primarily interact with Microsoft friendly .NET developers and rarely have to stray into the big scary world of *nix. They probably don't talk about the Linux support or help with your Mac because it would show their ignorance on the subject. Fortunately there is also another side of Microsoft. A side which is doing fantastic work in the open source community as well as with things like the Linux support in Azure. I would be happy to talk more about Linux support in Azure and I am more than capable of helping out with any setup required, regardless of your operating system of choice. If you're still interested, you can reach me at tistrimp@microsoft.com

asdasf 13y ago

Are many people using so few aws services that they are able to move to google? It seems like a hassle to use google for VMs and file storage, while having to still use amazon for all the other services google doesn't offer.