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All of those are unusable for anybody doing serious work, especially the ones with ultra-thin or OLED keyboards. I don't think keyboards which are actually lar

All of those are unusable for anybody doing serious work, especially the ones with ultra-thin or OLED keyboards. I don't think keyboards which are actually large touchscreens will be particularly difficult to make from a technical viewpoint, but they will be a usability nightmare. Without tactile response, the fingers will start to hurt after a while.

onreact-com 17y ago
Hey, these are design concepts. Like concept cars they are meant to imagine the future not to be perfect. A concept is like a brainstorming, first you get the ideas. Details follow later.
- zimbabwe 17y ago
  When's the last time a design concept actually turned into a design? Concepts are essentially waste-of-time pornographic images. Look at the old design concepts that claimed they'd be here by 2009. To quote a favored director: "Total fucking bullshit." The last thing I saw that remotely resembled an interesting "concept design" was when Apple told a bunch of people they were making an iPod phone with multitouch, a full-featured web browser, cover flow, and on-the-fly Youtube access, but that wasn't a concept design, that was a product unveiling, because Apple doesn't do concept designs because Apple thinks they're bullshit as well.
  - onreact-com 17y ago
    blah, blah, "fuck", "bullshit", "blah". Btw. the iPhone is a rip off of the Linux based Deeda Pi that was conceived as a concept phone long before the iPhone.
    - zimbabwe 17y ago
      Yeah, because the iPhone was conceived of right before it was announced, not half a decade earlier. Come on.
      - onreact-com 17y ago
        The deeda Pi concept went public years before the iPhone has seen the light of day but don't let facts disturb your opinion and animosity towards me personally or rather my profession.
davidw 17y ago
Netbooks are 'unusable for anybody doing serious work' too, and yet they've taken off. The trick is to find a niche where something like that is actually good enough. And yeah, they're for show/brainstorming/pushing the boundaries - you're not going to see these on sale next year.
gojomo 17y ago
In my experience with touchscreens, finger 'hurt' only happens with large, flaky, public units (like ATMs and kiosks) that aren't always sensitive and precise. For better touchscreens, like the iPhone, pressure used quickly adjusts. While tactile response would help with usability, pain isn't a consideration. There are more possible innovations in the direction of the Blackberry Storm's touchscreen (that depresses-and-clicks). Reports are it's a little uneven, but what if the resistance were perfectly tuned and consistent? That offers solid feedback about intentional keypresses while giving the fingers a place to rest. There's still the issue of finding keys by touch. What if in combination with the above, a tiny amount of vibration could reward or discourage finger position, at the center or edges of active press regions? Or, longer-term, perhaps the screens themselves could develop subtle addressable rough spots and ridges as needed.

onreact-com 17y ago

Hey, these are design concepts. Like concept cars they are meant to imagine the future not to be perfect. A concept is like a brainstorming, first you get the ideas. Details follow later.

zimbabwe 17y ago
When's the last time a design concept actually turned into a design? Concepts are essentially waste-of-time pornographic images. Look at the old design concepts that claimed they'd be here by 2009. To quote a favored director: "Total fucking bullshit." The last thing I saw that remotely resembled an interesting "concept design" was when Apple told a bunch of people they were making an iPod phone with multitouch, a full-featured web browser, cover flow, and on-the-fly Youtube access, but that wasn't a concept design, that was a product unveiling, because Apple doesn't do concept designs because Apple thinks they're bullshit as well.
- onreact-com 17y ago
  blah, blah, "fuck", "bullshit", "blah". Btw. the iPhone is a rip off of the Linux based Deeda Pi that was conceived as a concept phone long before the iPhone.
  - zimbabwe 17y ago
    Yeah, because the iPhone was conceived of right before it was announced, not half a decade earlier. Come on.
    - onreact-com 17y ago
      The deeda Pi concept went public years before the iPhone has seen the light of day but don't let facts disturb your opinion and animosity towards me personally or rather my profession.

davidw 17y ago

Netbooks are 'unusable for anybody doing serious work' too, and yet they've taken off. The trick is to find a niche where something like that is actually good enough. And yeah, they're for show/brainstorming/pushing the boundaries - you're not going to see these on sale next year.

gojomo 17y ago

In my experience with touchscreens, finger 'hurt' only happens with large, flaky, public units (like ATMs and kiosks) that aren't always sensitive and precise. For better touchscreens, like the iPhone, pressure used quickly adjusts. While tactile response would help with usability, pain isn't a consideration. There are more possible innovations in the direction of the Blackberry Storm's touchscreen (that depresses-and-clicks). Reports are it's a little uneven, but what if the resistance were perfectly tuned and consistent? That offers solid feedback about intentional keypresses while giving the fingers a place to rest. There's still the issue of finding keys by touch. What if in combination with the above, a tiny amount of vibration could reward or discourage finger position, at the center or edges of active press regions? Or, longer-term, perhaps the screens themselves could develop subtle addressable rough spots and ridges as needed.