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> You think Scala helps achieve those goals, I think Scala is detrimental to them. I abandoned Scala about 5 years ago and I have no intention of using it again

> You think Scala helps achieve those goals, I think Scala is detrimental to them. I abandoned Scala about 5 years ago and I have no intention of using it again, especially now when there are languages which I find superior to Scala in every respect that I think matters. If you feel Scala works for you I'm not going to convince you otherwise. For me and for the organizations I've worked for it didn't work at all. I think this explains all of it. The thing you are talking about has pretty much no resemblance with Scala today. You can bash Scala-from-5-years-ago as much as you want as long as you stop misleading people that your claims are in any way relevant to what Scala is today. Really, look at how your extrapolations from pre-historic Scala versions worked out til now. You only embarrassed yourself. I recommend being honest next time and just sharing your experience about Scala 2.5/2.6/2.7. I think we could all have a good time telling war stories, considering how hilariously unstable the compiler was at that time.

pron 13y ago
Dude, look, I stopped using Scala because it's gotten sooo much worse worse with each version; whatever coherence it had at first, it quickly shed away in a frenzy of misguided notions about what developers really need. I actually liked it in the early days. My claims are my view, as someone who's been developing software professionally for over two decades. I am well aware that there are those who disagree. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. It could be the best damn language in the world for you, but it sucks for many, many others. I can tell you that some companies looked at Scala carefully and rejected it; some adopted it only to discard it a couple of years later. You should accept the undeniable fact that Scala does not appeal to some knowledgeable, experienced people, even after they consider it carefully. And it's OK - I like many things that other people don't like, and they have good reasons not to like them. I would concede that Clojure, too (and I really think Clojure is an exceptionally well designed language), does not have a very broad appeal; neither does Scala. Use it in peace. If 5 years from now a significant portion of the software development community is using Scala, then you were right and I was wrong; if not, you'd better recheck your convictions. Maybe the language you like so much doesn't solve problems that hurt badly enough, or doesn't solve them well enough, for people to pay the price of its complexity and lack of coherence. Either way, Scala has certainly taught us a few things and we can learn from its mistakes. Maybe some of the lessons will be used to create a language that works for me and those who see things my way, too.

pron 13y ago

Dude, look, I stopped using Scala because it's gotten sooo much worse worse with each version; whatever coherence it had at first, it quickly shed away in a frenzy of misguided notions about what developers really need. I actually liked it in the early days. My claims are my view, as someone who's been developing software professionally for over two decades. I am well aware that there are those who disagree. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. It could be the best damn language in the world for you, but it sucks for many, many others. I can tell you that some companies looked at Scala carefully and rejected it; some adopted it only to discard it a couple of years later. You should accept the undeniable fact that Scala does not appeal to some knowledgeable, experienced people, even after they consider it carefully. And it's OK - I like many things that other people don't like, and they have good reasons not to like them. I would concede that Clojure, too (and I really think Clojure is an exceptionally well designed language), does not have a very broad appeal; neither does Scala. Use it in peace. If 5 years from now a significant portion of the software development community is using Scala, then you were right and I was wrong; if not, you'd better recheck your convictions. Maybe the language you like so much doesn't solve problems that hurt badly enough, or doesn't solve them well enough, for people to pay the price of its complexity and lack of coherence. Either way, Scala has certainly taught us a few things and we can learn from its mistakes. Maybe some of the lessons will be used to create a language that works for me and those who see things my way, too.