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Wait, it is racist to ask for one instance of white apartheid South Africans intentionally killing women and children like Mandela's ANC did repeatedly? Well,

by cook1929 13y ago

Wait, it is racist to ask for one instance of white apartheid South Africans intentionally killing women and children like Mandela's ANC did repeatedly? Well, golly. If you insist.

yetanotherphd 13y ago
I was employing irony there, which can be a useful tool for those on the right of the political spectrum. My issue is not really with whether Apartheid is great, or Israel is great. What my post was about was the way people on the far left or far right get away with their views whatever they are, but people in the center are required to assert that Apartheid is evil, while Israel is OK. You literally cannot call yourself a moderate if you do not believe these two things. And yet Israel and Apartheid South Africa are not very different. Both commit human rights violations against the native population. Both have (had) no clear path for the native population to become politically independent. Both claimed to look after the native population better than they could look after themselves. Both justified the situation because it was necessary to preserve their cultural/ethnic identity, and by claiming their opponents were terrorists. So I call myself a moderate, but because I cannot accept the discrepancy between the way people are expected to view Israel and Apartheid, I would probably be considered a racist (for thinking that Apartheid was partly understandable) and also and anti-semite (for thinking that the desire for a Jewish state is not different for the desire for a White state).
- theorique 13y ago
  Both commit human rights violations against the native population. You mean when Hamas or Islamic Jihad detonates a bus bomb in Tel Aviv? To pretend that Israeli military and/or police action against the terrorist government in Gaza takes place in a vacuum, or that it is aimed principally at civilians, ignores the reason why Israel is so militarized in the first place - very real security threats against the Israeli people and state.
  - yetanotherphd 13y ago
    The South African resistance to apartheid also bombed civilians. And I suspect that they did not recognize the right of South Africa to exist as a White country.
DavidWanjiru 13y ago
Are you specifically interested in bombing as a method of killing innocent people, or are you more generally interested in the killing of innocent people, the method notwithstanding? Coz, surely, you're not implying that white, apartheid South Africans didn't kill innocent people, are you?
welly 13y ago
The Sharpeville Massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre You're welcome.

Wait, it is racist to ask for one instance of white apartheid South Africans intentionally killing women and children like Mandela's ANC did repeatedly? Well, golly. If you insist.

yetanotherphd 13y ago

I was employing irony there, which can be a useful tool for those on the right of the political spectrum. My issue is not really with whether Apartheid is great, or Israel is great. What my post was about was the way people on the far left or far right get away with their views whatever they are, but people in the center are required to assert that Apartheid is evil, while Israel is OK. You literally cannot call yourself a moderate if you do not believe these two things. And yet Israel and Apartheid South Africa are not very different. Both commit human rights violations against the native population. Both have (had) no clear path for the native population to become politically independent. Both claimed to look after the native population better than they could look after themselves. Both justified the situation because it was necessary to preserve their cultural/ethnic identity, and by claiming their opponents were terrorists. So I call myself a moderate, but because I cannot accept the discrepancy between the way people are expected to view Israel and Apartheid, I would probably be considered a racist (for thinking that Apartheid was partly understandable) and also and anti-semite (for thinking that the desire for a Jewish state is not different for the desire for a White state).

theorique 13y ago
Both commit human rights violations against the native population. You mean when Hamas or Islamic Jihad detonates a bus bomb in Tel Aviv? To pretend that Israeli military and/or police action against the terrorist government in Gaza takes place in a vacuum, or that it is aimed principally at civilians, ignores the reason why Israel is so militarized in the first place - very real security threats against the Israeli people and state.
- yetanotherphd 13y ago
  The South African resistance to apartheid also bombed civilians. And I suspect that they did not recognize the right of South Africa to exist as a White country.

DavidWanjiru 13y ago

Are you specifically interested in bombing as a method of killing innocent people, or are you more generally interested in the killing of innocent people, the method notwithstanding? Coz, surely, you're not implying that white, apartheid South Africans didn't kill innocent people, are you?

welly 13y ago

The Sharpeville Massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre You're welcome.