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>If you remember history, every single extant liberal democracy has had surveillance capabilities for decades, and continue to be healthy free societies. the d
by VladRussian2 13y ago
>If you remember history, every single extant liberal democracy has had surveillance capabilities for decades, and continue to be healthy free societies.
the difference here is the actual massive surveillance (basically total possible by the technological means of the time) performed by the KGB/Stasi outside of the due process inside the jurisdiction of their respective countries. It is exactly the emerging characteristic of fusion centers and NSA activities. Please name an "extant liberal democracy" which has had such massive surveillance capabilities and applied them in such a way.
- rayiner 13y agoThe FBI during the 1950's and almost certainly Britain's intelligence agencies post WWII. Remember, the FISA mechanism that attracts so much flak these days was put into place because in the past the NSA had no restrictions or oversight, effective or ineffective.
- VladRussian2 13y ago>The FBI during the 1950's yes, great example. If people want back to that game of witch hunting, and with incomparably, multiple orders of magnitude, increased capabilities of witch hunters (like J. Edgar Hoover looking into a fusion center palantir by Palantir) - well, i rest my case.
- MrZongle2 13y agoHoover would have killed for the kind of capabilities that Palantir provides. But then again, so would have the KGB and East German Stasi. Palantir's developers aren't evil, but the fact that so many folks wish to don the rose-colored glasses and assume that their work cannot be used for the wrong things makes me nauseous.