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Sorry in advance for this wall of text and the redundant use of the word "currency." It makes for a shitty read, but I couldn't find a better way to construct
by spenvo 13y ago
Sorry in advance for this wall of text and the redundant use of the word "currency." It makes for a shitty read, but I couldn't find a better way to construct my comment.
All joking aside [0], you seem a little over eager to discount Bitcoin in this regard.
Here's my take on BTC's relevance as a currency:
- Its 'success' as a currency in the developed world (in the way we use greenbacks & fiat / Chinese use Yuan in daily life) ...
... on this point, I've never been too hopeful. [1]
This definition of "success" is biased by most of our developed-world perspective. . tldr; - It will likely become 'relevant' without becoming a 'success' in the Western/1st-world sense.
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Observations on why Bitcoin will struggle to become a ubiquitous currency:
1.) This statement from the PBOC - more or less negates its chances in China as being a "first-class citizen" (status) currency.
This comes as no major surprise to me. But, what is surprising is the portion which reaffirmed the legality of the participation in Bitcoin in China ("... Bitcoin transaction as a commodity trading behavior on the Internet, ordinary people have the freedom to participate in the premise of own risk."), as you alluded to in your comment. This more than "leaves the door open." That said, the factors which contributed to this approach are unbelievably complex and probably nefarious (w/regards to BTC's future).
2.) In the USA, I don't see a pressing need for it to be used in the way we know dollars to be used. The reason here is that we have a historically stable system in place.
3.) The volatility of Bitcoin is not, and likely will never be, as stable as most of the fiat units in circulation. This would discourage me from paying my employees in Bitcoin.
4.) Since day one, we have all been apprehensive about the deflationary nature of the currency -- expressing the Keynesian-concern that spending in an economy is vital to the prosperity of said economy.
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With that being said, here is where-and-why I'm long ...
I.) ... because of the international nature of the protocol, one must think about those living in Iran, Zimbabwe, Argentina, Russia, etc.. In those places, I think it has legs as a currency, regardless of state-endorsement. Some of these states in crisis may even endorse Bitcoin.
I believe that perfection isn't sought after in the 3rd world, as confidence has been lost in the fiat systems in place. (This is the reason why greenbacks are so ubiquitous abroad.)
There's also a palpable anti-American sentiment in the third world that could discourage greenbacks' usage by the layman if there were a viable and universally accepted alternative.
But paper greenbacks don't play well with the internet. Bitcoins do. One can argue that you could still use greenbacks digitally abroad, but this is not without large transaction fees, and -- in the case of unstable countries -- there may uncertainty in the bank which is facilitating the financial services.
II.) ... it's nature has melded the idea of a cash dollar and a digital dollar into a decentralized, ephemeral-yet-"trustworthy" protocol. I can honestly say: I'd be a fool if I claimed to have the slightest idea how Bitcoin will innovate and make itself useful as a currency.
So, I actually believe that Bitcoin has relevance as a currency, just not in a way that would make sense to the developed world.
The above is part-and-parcel from Bitcoins as a store of value and other financial novelties, which I don't really have the time to enumerate.
[0] - "So much for the debate about bitcoin being a currency!"
[1] - [and it saddens me greatly, because I'm a Bitcoin fanboy, and I've believed since the early days that Bitcoin is special in many other ways. And no, I'm not a Bitcoin millionaire.]
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- lingben 13y agoI understand you have a vested interest in bitcoin and for that same reason I would suggest you take a few basic economic courses so you can understand what a currency is and why it is impossible for bitcoin to be a currency. > But paper greenbacks don't play well with the internet. Bitcoins do. This is simply false. The evidence is all around you. Bitcoin is composed of two parts: the token and the protocol. The protocol is interesting and useful. It will be most probably integrated into existing currency systems. We are already seeing this type of experimentation with the Canadian MintChip. The token system on the other hand will be remembered as an interesting digital phenomena the same way we now look back at beanie babies and tulipmania.
- spenvo 13y ago"... it is impossible for bitcoin to be a currency." It is already functioning as one -- just not a very effective or useful one. So, please be more articulate if you actually want to have a debate. But thanks for diverting the the discussion by maligning my character. Looking through your comment history, it's pretty clear that you have a strong aversion to Bitcoin. As someone so blindly opposed to it -- you probably have an ulterior motive too. At least I was forthcoming about mine -> I'm a Bitcoin fanboy and am building a business around it -- which is more than most speculators can claim. So, what's yours? Because otherwise, you're kind of in need of digging yourself out of troll status. :)
- lingben 13y agoIt is functioning as digital barter - that you fail to recognize this and mistake it for a currency is why I suggested you take some basic economic courses. How did I malign your character? I simply stated that since you are building a business based on bitcoin you may not be as objective as someone who has no vested interest one way or the other. I don't own bitcoins or have any vested interest. It is simply an intellectual curiosity for me. I have no interest in making this personal and I was and am polite to you.
- spenvo 13y ago