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Ok, so no mention of JSON but we have PDF there. Nice. Stupid PT government as usual. And as usual, you can be sure the ones deciding on these are the same peo

by BSousa 13y ago

Ok, so no mention of JSON but we have PDF there. Nice. Stupid PT government as usual. And as usual, you can be sure the ones deciding on these are the same people that have their own software already supporting this. Reminds me of the secure protocols that all accounting/tax software had to implement a few years back. The person that design it was the head of one of the largest sellers of accounting software in PT. Ohhhh how open. Seriously, as usual, fuck them. I'm all for open standards, but mandating this shit is out of line, specially for this country that has already so many problems, this is what they spend their time (2 to 3 years according to the article). Will just mean you will have less SMB entering the market and it being monopolised by the big ones that can afford to do so.

PedroBatista 13y ago
How can a government mandating the use of well known and open file/protocols if you want to do business with them be a bad thing? I fail to understand your argument, unless you have some economic interest in keeping things the way they were. If that's the case then though luck my friend. If you spend your energy in doing the absolute best you can to serve you client (the government in this case - yes i know, is not easy), instead of playing the lock-in game then you should be fine.
- BSousa 13y ago
  Hi Pedro First of all, I can assure you I have no economic interest whatsoever on this. I spent most of my professional life working around Europe and about a year or so ago I decided to leave Portugal for good. I don't use Microsoft technologies and honestly, when I freelance, I avoid working for portuguese companies. With that out of the way, a few things, first, choosing ODF was nice right? Except no one really knows about it (see comment below where even folks here in HN didn't know that ODF isn't actually a format but a spec for the open ODT or ODS). If people here don't know, you expect your grandma to know when she has to read the instructions to fill some social security form? And I'm sorry, PDF? Really? Why not Postscript then? And PDF has so many proprietary stuff that other readers can't even use. Heck, in Spain, 1/2 of the PDF forms that you have to fill don't work in Mac's Preview and require you to download the Adobe client. Second, while I worked in Portugal I witnessed first hand various of these committees deciding which standards/protocol/security to use. Most of them were similar to 'Government asks 2-3 leaders (usually includes Sage and Primavera) in selling software that is related to what they want to implement, they convene, they decide based on what their software already supports or can support, and the government accepts this while they can boost to be the first certified software (since when the law is announced, their software had 6-12 months development time ahead of the competition). I'm sorry, I would really like to see Portugal stand up and rise to be a developed nation, but the amount of corruption I witnessed and I know from family members that deal with the government, I can't really trust these kind of things.

by BSousa 13y ago

PedroBatista 13y ago

How can a government mandating the use of well known and open file/protocols if you want to do business with them be a bad thing? I fail to understand your argument, unless you have some economic interest in keeping things the way they were. If that's the case then though luck my friend. If you spend your energy in doing the absolute best you can to serve you client (the government in this case - yes i know, is not easy), instead of playing the lock-in game then you should be fine.

BSousa 13y ago
Hi Pedro First of all, I can assure you I have no economic interest whatsoever on this. I spent most of my professional life working around Europe and about a year or so ago I decided to leave Portugal for good. I don't use Microsoft technologies and honestly, when I freelance, I avoid working for portuguese companies. With that out of the way, a few things, first, choosing ODF was nice right? Except no one really knows about it (see comment below where even folks here in HN didn't know that ODF isn't actually a format but a spec for the open ODT or ODS). If people here don't know, you expect your grandma to know when she has to read the instructions to fill some social security form? And I'm sorry, PDF? Really? Why not Postscript then? And PDF has so many proprietary stuff that other readers can't even use. Heck, in Spain, 1/2 of the PDF forms that you have to fill don't work in Mac's Preview and require you to download the Adobe client. Second, while I worked in Portugal I witnessed first hand various of these committees deciding which standards/protocol/security to use. Most of them were similar to 'Government asks 2-3 leaders (usually includes Sage and Primavera) in selling software that is related to what they want to implement, they convene, they decide based on what their software already supports or can support, and the government accepts this while they can boost to be the first certified software (since when the law is announced, their software had 6-12 months development time ahead of the competition). I'm sorry, I would really like to see Portugal stand up and rise to be a developed nation, but the amount of corruption I witnessed and I know from family members that deal with the government, I can't really trust these kind of things.