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Condescending tone aside: They have matched Amazon - As far as I am concerned "meeting the standard set by a competitor" is not something worth gushing about fo

Condescending tone aside: They have matched Amazon - As far as I am concerned "meeting the standard set by a competitor" is not something worth gushing about for someone like Google. Maybe I still have the veneer of "Google have the best in the world" in my thinking, but Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it.

nknighthb 13y ago
> Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it Good thing nobody said "setting a high bar", then. You're choosing to read the statement in strained manner that doesn't match my reading of its intended meaning at all.
- bgoldy 13y ago
  We could get into and endless debate about SLA's, their meaning, and their value. I don't think our bar for GA and the SLA are correlated. nknighthb's interpretation is correct. The bar has to do with a wide variety of other factors including our commitment to the business, how we are focusing on customer support, view of go to market and investments there, technical aspects like performance consistency, data throughput, peering, private backbones, encryption at rest, hardware, and so many other layers. We could have just said "GA" in May at IO when we also had an SLA of 99.95% but the SLA isn't even close to enough. It's just a factor and definitely not the most important one. Hope this helps clarify :) -Brian
  - rurounijones 13y ago
    Hang on, I think I have just realised a mistake on my part. In your quote on the site when you said "General Availabilty" you were referring to the releあse. I mis-understood, I thought you were referring to "General Availability" as a synonym for uptime (Probably translated to "High Availability" in my head), not in the "released to General Availability" sense. My apologies to all.
chaz 13y ago
Like Amazon.com and AWS, Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE. So while the employee experience and expertise may carry over, the infrastructure doesn't. EC2 had serious outages even though Amazon.com stayed up and running. And GCE only offers 3 data centers compared to the 13 that they have for their core. I'm not even sure the 3 they offer intersect with the 13. It's a new line of business, and expect some serious rough patches. Google's brand will immediately step it up to a top-tier provider, but how they handle outages and deliver innovation will really dictate how well it plays out in the marketplace.
- packetslave 13y ago
  Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE. This is not true
  - Lewisham 13y ago
    Can confirm; I'm a developer on the Cloud SQL team, which is in the same Product Area as GCE. When it says "Google Compute Engine is a service that provides virtual machines that run on Google infrastructure" it means it. The VMs run in the same data centers on the same hardware as other Google projects.
- xshoppyx 13y ago
  Do you have a source citing both Amazon and Google have not (re)built their sites on top of their public cloud services? Also, it is possible Amazon has built their website on top of AWS, and incorporating multi-region durability. This would make it possible for an AWS region to go down, and Amazon to still operate.

nknighthb 13y ago

> Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it Good thing nobody said "setting a high bar", then. You're choosing to read the statement in strained manner that doesn't match my reading of its intended meaning at all.

bgoldy 13y ago
We could get into and endless debate about SLA's, their meaning, and their value. I don't think our bar for GA and the SLA are correlated. nknighthb's interpretation is correct. The bar has to do with a wide variety of other factors including our commitment to the business, how we are focusing on customer support, view of go to market and investments there, technical aspects like performance consistency, data throughput, peering, private backbones, encryption at rest, hardware, and so many other layers. We could have just said "GA" in May at IO when we also had an SLA of 99.95% but the SLA isn't even close to enough. It's just a factor and definitely not the most important one. Hope this helps clarify :) -Brian
- rurounijones 13y ago
  Hang on, I think I have just realised a mistake on my part. In your quote on the site when you said "General Availabilty" you were referring to the releあse. I mis-understood, I thought you were referring to "General Availability" as a synonym for uptime (Probably translated to "High Availability" in my head), not in the "released to General Availability" sense. My apologies to all.

chaz 13y ago

Like Amazon.com and AWS, Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE. So while the employee experience and expertise may carry over, the infrastructure doesn't. EC2 had serious outages even though Amazon.com stayed up and running. And GCE only offers 3 data centers compared to the 13 that they have for their core. I'm not even sure the 3 they offer intersect with the 13. It's a new line of business, and expect some serious rough patches. Google's brand will immediately step it up to a top-tier provider, but how they handle outages and deliver innovation will really dictate how well it plays out in the marketplace.

packetslave 13y ago
Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE. This is not true
- Lewisham 13y ago
  Can confirm; I'm a developer on the Cloud SQL team, which is in the same Product Area as GCE. When it says "Google Compute Engine is a service that provides virtual machines that run on Google infrastructure" it means it. The VMs run in the same data centers on the same hardware as other Google projects.
xshoppyx 13y ago
Do you have a source citing both Amazon and Google have not (re)built their sites on top of their public cloud services? Also, it is possible Amazon has built their website on top of AWS, and incorporating multi-region durability. This would make it possible for an AWS region to go down, and Amazon to still operate.