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The judge is William Alsup, who also handled the Google-Oracle case. This should be fun. EDIT: Judge Alsup wasn’t willing to take any action today on unproven

The judge is William Alsup, who also handled the Google-Oracle case. This should be fun. EDIT: Judge Alsup wasn’t willing to take any action today on unproven allegations or unverified documents. But he made clear that, “I am disturbed by this…. We’ll hear from her [Ms. Mustafa Kamal] when she gets here. If it turns out that the DHS has sabotaged a witness, that will go against the government’s case. I want a witness from Homeland Security who can testify to what has happened. You find a witness and get them here.” http://papersplease.org/wp/2013/12/04/no-fly-trial-day-2-dr-ibrahim-gets-her-virtual-day-in-court/ http://papersplease.org/wp/2013/12/04/no-fly-trial-day-2-dr-...

jc4p 13y ago
I knew that name was familiar! This should be a great trial.
Crito 13y ago
IIRC he also smacked San Fransisco for their absurd cellphones/cancer ordinance thing. Hearing that he is involved is reassuring.
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- smtddr 13y ago
  http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/08/us-usa-sanfrancisco-cellphones-idUSBRE9470I720130508 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/08/us-usa-sanfrancisc... I don't see anything absurd here. It's still not clear that cellphones are "safe". >>Mobile phones are tested to ensure their emissions fall within FCC limits considered safe. The limits, however, fail to reflect the latest research or actual conditions under which mobile phones are used, liked being held in a pocket directly against the body while talking through an earpiece, according to a Government Accountability Office report. The FCC last month agreed to consider revising its 17-year-old guidelines. I'm glad the FCC at least were open to thinking about it. I treat my cellphone as a possible biohazard and keep it away from my body. It's almost always in my backpack; about a foot away from my body and I almost never make voice-calls; I'm all SMS. I put in less than 45mins/month on voice-calls.
  - AsymetricCom 13y ago
    But our economy is already dependent on mobile data. So cancer or not, there's no stopping it. The economy decides what's safe.
    - smtddr 13y ago
      So we should all just give up? Economy is pretty dependent on gasoline/oil too; but I'm glad people are looking into finding better sources of energy. We know gasoline burning & the process of obtaining oil is not good for humanity for a big list of reasons. _If_ it's found cellphones can be harmful, hopefully we begin researching how to make safer versions. Personally, I think there's been enough studies on it to make it at least plausible and I choose to error on the side of caution.
      - moocowduckquack 13y ago
        Say, have you heard about the microwave background radiation? You are being exposed to radiation in all microwave frequencies from all directions right now from the fusion of nuclear isotopes at the start of time, also, would you like to buy this giant Faraday cage.
    - sanskritabelt 13y ago
      Used to be, the economy decided tobacco was safe.
      - nickff 13y ago
        "[T]he economy" does not 'decide' anything; individuals act in their own self-interest (, though not necessarily their long-term self interest).
    - makmanalp 13y ago
      Huh? No. First of all, most of "the economy" doesn't know anything about anything unless they're informed. So they're implementing a new testing process to better inform them. Let me remind you of a similar situation - 50 years ago, it wasn't common knowledge that smoking was harmful. Many people smoked. Then, overwhelming evidence showed that it was harmful. Then, there were widespread campaigns telling people just that. Today, not as many people smoke, and not to the same degree. Success! Should we have given up on teaching people sense? Second, what makes you think - assuming that cell phone emissions are indeed significant enough to be harmful - we can't have tech that works as it does now, but is less harmful?
nknighthb 13y ago
He's been handling the San Francisco branch of the Prenda Law insanity, too. He does not seem like a good judge to BS.

jc4p 13y ago

I knew that name was familiar! This should be a great trial.

Crito 13y ago

IIRC he also smacked San Fransisco for their absurd cellphones/cancer ordinance thing. Hearing that he is involved is reassuring.

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smtddr 13y ago
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/08/us-usa-sanfrancisco-cellphones-idUSBRE9470I720130508 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/08/us-usa-sanfrancisc... I don't see anything absurd here. It's still not clear that cellphones are "safe". >>Mobile phones are tested to ensure their emissions fall within FCC limits considered safe. The limits, however, fail to reflect the latest research or actual conditions under which mobile phones are used, liked being held in a pocket directly against the body while talking through an earpiece, according to a Government Accountability Office report. The FCC last month agreed to consider revising its 17-year-old guidelines. I'm glad the FCC at least were open to thinking about it. I treat my cellphone as a possible biohazard and keep it away from my body. It's almost always in my backpack; about a foot away from my body and I almost never make voice-calls; I'm all SMS. I put in less than 45mins/month on voice-calls.
- AsymetricCom 13y ago
  But our economy is already dependent on mobile data. So cancer or not, there's no stopping it. The economy decides what's safe.
  - smtddr 13y ago
    So we should all just give up? Economy is pretty dependent on gasoline/oil too; but I'm glad people are looking into finding better sources of energy. We know gasoline burning & the process of obtaining oil is not good for humanity for a big list of reasons. _If_ it's found cellphones can be harmful, hopefully we begin researching how to make safer versions. Personally, I think there's been enough studies on it to make it at least plausible and I choose to error on the side of caution.
    - moocowduckquack 13y ago
      Say, have you heard about the microwave background radiation? You are being exposed to radiation in all microwave frequencies from all directions right now from the fusion of nuclear isotopes at the start of time, also, would you like to buy this giant Faraday cage.
  - sanskritabelt 13y ago
    Used to be, the economy decided tobacco was safe.
    - nickff 13y ago
      "[T]he economy" does not 'decide' anything; individuals act in their own self-interest (, though not necessarily their long-term self interest).
  - makmanalp 13y ago
    Huh? No. First of all, most of "the economy" doesn't know anything about anything unless they're informed. So they're implementing a new testing process to better inform them. Let me remind you of a similar situation - 50 years ago, it wasn't common knowledge that smoking was harmful. Many people smoked. Then, overwhelming evidence showed that it was harmful. Then, there were widespread campaigns telling people just that. Today, not as many people smoke, and not to the same degree. Success! Should we have given up on teaching people sense? Second, what makes you think - assuming that cell phone emissions are indeed significant enough to be harmful - we can't have tech that works as it does now, but is less harmful?

nknighthb 13y ago

He's been handling the San Francisco branch of the Prenda Law insanity, too. He does not seem like a good judge to BS.