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Assuming F# is included I actually agree with that to a large degree except for the fact that the division between C# vs. OSS languages is more ideological than

by mtrimpe 13y ago

Assuming F# is included I actually agree with that to a large degree except for the fact that the division between C# vs. OSS languages is more ideological than anything else.

talloaktrees 13y ago
I think the ideological part plays a big role in keeping people away from C#, unfortunately
- pjmlp 13y ago
  Only in places like HN, in the enterprise world we are not short of .NET projects.
  - mtrimpe 13y ago
    And neither is the enterprise world short of JVM projects. It seems almost like a Republic vs. Democrat kind of division. Neither side is in danger of disappearing; each views the other with derision and very few subjects ever 'cross the party line.'
    - pjmlp 13y ago
      > And neither is the enterprise world short of JVM projects. Yes, I fully agree. We jump between JVM and .NET land in our projects, whereas the myriad of wannabe be replacements are far far away from most enterprise radars.
pjmlp 13y ago
Sadly F# is taking C++'s place on Visual Studio's list of not so loved languages. Although many financial systems are picking it up, and a wealthy community is building around it in the .NET world, Microsoft development tools team still seems not sure how to steer it.
- mtrimpe 13y ago
  Tooling-wise F# is also a difficult beast to tame. I think I even remember watching a Simon Peyton Jones video about those exact challenges...
  - pjmlp 13y ago
    Yes there are challenges, but most of them are solvable when the willingness to overcome them exists.
- CmonDev 13y ago
  "many financial systems are picking it up" - if that was enough Silverlight would've been still alive :(.
- MichaelGG 13y ago
  MS painted themselves into a corner with their marketing message. They can't really come out and admit F# is superior to C# in practically every sense. Apparently now, the C# lead designer seems more interested in patching up JavaScript than actually catching C# up to the state-of-the-art. Meanwhile, MS has marketed F# as "financial and scientific". Remember the F# team lead is also the main force behind getting decent generics into the CLR, a concept MS corp had dismissed as "academic". So it's no surprise they aren't continuing that line of thinking.

by mtrimpe 13y ago

Assuming F# is included I actually agree with that to a large degree except for the fact that the division between C# vs. OSS languages is more ideological than anything else.

talloaktrees 13y ago

I think the ideological part plays a big role in keeping people away from C#, unfortunately

pjmlp 13y ago
Only in places like HN, in the enterprise world we are not short of .NET projects.
- mtrimpe 13y ago
  And neither is the enterprise world short of JVM projects. It seems almost like a Republic vs. Democrat kind of division. Neither side is in danger of disappearing; each views the other with derision and very few subjects ever 'cross the party line.'
  - pjmlp 13y ago
    > And neither is the enterprise world short of JVM projects. Yes, I fully agree. We jump between JVM and .NET land in our projects, whereas the myriad of wannabe be replacements are far far away from most enterprise radars.

pjmlp 13y ago

Sadly F# is taking C++'s place on Visual Studio's list of not so loved languages. Although many financial systems are picking it up, and a wealthy community is building around it in the .NET world, Microsoft development tools team still seems not sure how to steer it.

mtrimpe 13y ago
Tooling-wise F# is also a difficult beast to tame. I think I even remember watching a Simon Peyton Jones video about those exact challenges...
- pjmlp 13y ago
  Yes there are challenges, but most of them are solvable when the willingness to overcome them exists.
CmonDev 13y ago
"many financial systems are picking it up" - if that was enough Silverlight would've been still alive :(.
MichaelGG 13y ago
MS painted themselves into a corner with their marketing message. They can't really come out and admit F# is superior to C# in practically every sense. Apparently now, the C# lead designer seems more interested in patching up JavaScript than actually catching C# up to the state-of-the-art. Meanwhile, MS has marketed F# as "financial and scientific". Remember the F# team lead is also the main force behind getting decent generics into the CLR, a concept MS corp had dismissed as "academic". So it's no surprise they aren't continuing that line of thinking.